Netkarpro

Flapshot · 20 Oct 2009, 11:00 (Ref:2565319)

This thing is awesome, physics as good as iRacing imo.

Anyone know of an active league running this sim?

http://www.netkar-pro.com/

Hepatic · 21 Oct 2009, 17:31 (Ref:2566491)

not likely, their support has been appalling. i've had it for ages but rarely play it - online i just got so much lag i gave up and it gets boring driving on your own after a while. its physics etc are fantastic tho

**Spudgun** · 28 Mar 2010, 21:53 (Ref:2662215)

Well I decded to give this a go today, downloading the demo first then buying a licence. I think it's really really good and I'm impressed!

The Formula Fords are the closest thing I've driven to GPL that isn't GPL. The multiplayer does look a bit quiet, but I had a good couple of hours pick-up racing the F2000's without a single wrecker!

Some more cars would be nice, but I did find an addon track pack which includes Monaco and Silverstone which is good.

ptclaus98 · 29 May 2010, 00:54 (Ref:2700206)

I wish I had the money for a license. I've always wanted a FFord sim, and this one is awesome, and apparently real. I still suck at it though.

chunder · 29 May 2010, 08:45 (Ref:2700276)

Not a bad game actually, just not got the wealth and backing that Iracer has gont.

Saying that abotu netkar, I ahev yet to find that much racing on Iracing.
I bought my novice licence the otehr day and have had a few loks but rarerly see anyone online!!

Is a superb sim though, if a bit expensive. Theya re clearly using the punters to pay for the quality of everything, and seeing as though they have some pretty big hiters involved, that smacks of greed to me

Hepatic · 2 Jun 2010, 11:52 (Ref:2703150)

no kidding. i think when it was first released i priced up the cost of buying all the (then) available cars & tracks and it came to £400+. all the extra stuff now its frankly obscene to pay that amount for what is, despite their best efforts to tell you otherwise, just a game.

netkar has all the feel and substance to be just as good, but as you said it has nowhere near the backing and has been badly let down by its designer.

chunder · 4 Jun 2010, 16:37 (Ref:2704637)

I tried i racing for a month

Uninstalled it after 2 weeks

Absolutely riddled with aliens and in the demo version you only get three cars and 4 gtracks

Total rip off

Having said that the physics are superba nd you can see where the money is spent.

You will not be amazed to know that the Yanks lap it up!! Its predominantly ovals, which leave me cold

Gil Abobeleira · 6 Jun 2010, 22:08 (Ref:2705748)

Road tracks:

Road America
Road Atlanta
Philip Island
Mosport
Brands Hatch
Zandvoort
Watkins Glen
VIR
Sebring
Laguna Seca

(and soo on)

Nahhhh, iRacing is only for the oval guys

chunder · 7 Jun 2010, 18:52 (Ref:2706258)

Well when you look at the servers most of the busy ones are oval based for m,e

Besides, I cant foresee a time when racing online costs more to do than actually watching for real, so you are welcome to it my friend!!

Utter rip off

Admittedly very good, but I somehow doubt the people behind it are struggling!! If they can afford to pay Dale Jr to make PR video's that is.

Give it a little back you capitalist pigs!!

Hepatic · 7 Jun 2010, 19:17 (Ref:2706278)

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Originally Posted by Gil Abobeleira

Nahhhh, iRacing is only for the oval guys

Yeah, now do that properly and show the truth:

track list: http://www.iracing.com/cars-and-tracks/tracks/
OVAL = 25
ROAD = 15

(i think, not familiar with all the US circuits of which most of these are)

Thats 62% of all content that are ovals. Now if you had a full choice of how you progress through the ranks that might be OK but most of the time you are very limited to what you can do until you have certain licenses. I'm not bothered about being limited to certain cars, but i am ****ed off with having to run an oval all the time for Legends, which is a far better and more fun car to run than the Solstice.

Now we come to price. Notice iRacing do not advertise the cost of anything other than subscription fees? in our world thats called false advertising. The only mention is a tiny bit in the FAQ which gives a vague idea, but with price breaks, discounts on bulk buy etc its difficult to make an informed decision unless you are already a subscriber. By that time its too late.

As a rough guess, here is a break down of the current offerings;

15 additional cars
33 additional tracks

Can't find individual prices without being a member, so taking worse case cost of $15 an item;

15 x $15 = $225
33 x $15 = $495

assuming you can get a 20% discount on a bulk buy of every 6 items;

15 / 6 = 2 times bulk discount on cars
33 / 6 = 5 times bulk discount on tracks

bulk discounts;

6 items x $15 = $90
20% of bulk cost (savings) = $18

car savings = 2 x $18 = $36
track savings = 5 x $18 = $90

total cost;
CARS $225 - $36 = $189
TRACKS $495 - $90 = $405

Cost of additional items = $594
add the cheapest monthly cost of subscription of 2 years at $179

GRAND TOTAL $773

at current exchange rates thats EUR 674 or £534. Obviously there are lots of variations to this with the discounts, how you buy, the "money back" offers, actual item prices etc but for ****s sake, over £500 for a game? and it continues to expand. It simply does not justify itself, no matter how good the experience may be.

mods, please feel free to cut this lot in to the iracing thread, but it does go to show how much more value netkar is, despite its very poor support.

Dani Filth · 7 Jun 2010, 20:04 (Ref:2706316)

it's far better than you make it look .. why buy tracks and cars you're not gonna race ever?? . i've raced 1 1/2 seasons of SRF and 1 1/2 seasons of Skip .. and it cost me about 99$ for a 1 year(4 seasons) and about 100$ for car and tracks for Skippy
when i'll decide to race another series the cost will be much less .. probably only the car and 1-2 new tracks ..

Gil Abobeleira · 7 Jun 2010, 20:47 (Ref:2706347)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Well when you look at the servers most of the busy ones are oval based for m,e

Maybe they are more busy, but try finding a race for the Ford Falcon, the Skip Barber or the Star Mazda, the grids are full for the whole week (sometimes there's like 70 or 80 guys with the Skip Barber!).

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Besides, I cant foresee a time when racing online costs more to do than actually watching for real, so you are welcome to it my friend!!

Try living in Portugal and then tell me what motorsport is there to watch!!!!!

Then again, racing is like sex, it's much better doing it than watching it

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Utter rip off

Admittedly very good, but I somehow doubt the people behind it are struggling!! If they can afford to pay Dale Jr to make PR video's that is.

He's not on the payroll btw... And he's one of the fastest guys on the oval side, so much so for PR BS!

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Give it a little back you capitalist pigs!!

Tell that to British Petroleum...

chunder · 7 Jun 2010, 21:48 (Ref:2706391)

Anything else?

I dont call 500 dollars to play a game good value. Do you?

If you are frivelous enough to think that's fair then off you go.

I would rather play for free and allow developers to display their wares for free thanks. Iracing is a very good game but not worth the money, pure and simple, They pull people in with false advertising and then hook you in with bank charges that autiomatically carry on charging unless you change them! Lile CAR INSURANCE

Can you not see what is going on here?

I almost feel like writing for my money back! Money grabbing con artists.

Gil Abobeleira · 7 Jun 2010, 23:33 (Ref:2706428)

500 dollars? Since when do you have to own everything?

Do you have enough time to race in like 10 different championships per week? I know I don't.

I've spent around € 200 on it for last 2 years (that's an average of € 100 per year, that's what 2 new games per year

) and I own pretty much every road course (except for Indy). I've also bought only the cars I know I'll use (there's no use in buying the Jetta, as I belong to the anti-fwd brigade, nor I see any appeal in the Daytona Prototurtle or in the the spec Indy-formula... and don't get me started on ovals :lol: ).

You just need to be smart by using the 20% rebate when buying content (forget the 25%, it's just for the capitalist pigs

), and take part in, like, 20 races per season to get a $10 back (actually, with a bit of luck, you really only need to race 16 times per season).

This doesn't mean that iR is only full of positive things (it isn't, far from it!). But at least point to those that are really major setbacks in the service (transmission model, night racing, no prototypes to speak of, no rain, some questionable physics in cars like the Lotus (it feels like a modern LMP2!) and the Radical, etecetera).

Dani Filth · 8 Jun 2010, 04:54 (Ref:2706485)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Anything else?
I would rather play for free and allow developers to display their wares for free thanks.

there are some guys like Virtua_LM that make some good tracks .. but they can't really compare with a iracing track. Mid Ohio is coming so we'll be able to compare ...

Quote:

Iracing is a very good game but not worth the money, pure and simple

might not be worth it .. but even a membership for race2play costs up to 14.39$ per month ..

Quote:

They pull people in with false advertising and then hook you in with bank charges that autiomatically carry on charging unless you change them! Lile CAR INSURANCE

that doesn't happen to me .. I pay by paypal

Hepatic · 8 Jun 2010, 18:58 (Ref:2706900)

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Originally Posted by Gil Abobeleira

to British Petroleum...

Who? If you mean BP, they haven't been called British Petroleum in years. That unbelievable mess is nothing to do with Great Britain, its the American arm of BP that screwed that up. Then again deflecting blame is an American corporate pastime isn't it <cough> Toyota </cough>

and my very rough breakdown of those costs was a guess based on the limited info i could get from their FAQ and i made it worst case on purpose. My point tho still remains, for ONE GAME it is too expensive. It isn't even as if you get 2/3 games worth of content is it? rFactor has far more (all be it of varying quality) all for about £25. After 4 years i find that much better value