FOTA look into new qually format

[Marbot]

Yet another change to qually?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72203

[BeeJ]

At least we would have more of an idea of who is really fastest without having to guess fuel loads etc.

[Marbot]

I quite like it,and it punishes mistakes.

[BeeJ]

I think it will also increase the pressures on the drivers I know it is totally differnet but it will be similar to the Eliminator Races in games such as Project Gotham, Burnout etc. You could even see more overtaking in qually than the race as you will not want to be slowed by another car. The more I think about it the more I like it

[johntt]

How about a 45 minute session where everyone goes out and tries to set the fastest time possible on low fuel loads and proper qualifying setups?

[Super Hans]

A good idea, in my opinion.

[BeeJ]

Originally Posted by Super Hans

A good idea, in my opinion.

Which one the FOTA one or Johntt's.

[Super Hans]

Originally Posted by BeeJ

Which one the FOTA one or Johntt's.

Sorry.

I was referring to FOTA's idea, but Johntt's has merit also.

[werner]

Formula 1 doesn't need gimmicks. The current format is fine, but I really liked the 1-lap shootout from a few years ago. Preferably with low fuelloads.

[Chiefy]

As much as I approve of the current format, I think this new idea could have its merits. Heavy congestion during the early stages could eliminate big players if they can't hook up a hot lap. Then, with luck, we'd get more exciting races (though I think 2007 and 2008 have been decent years in any case).

[Down F0rce]

The current format minus the whole fuel load nonsense would be just fine. Or, as I've said before, keep Q1 and Q2 as they are and make Q3 a single lap shoot out between the top ten on low fuel.

The FOTA's new idea does seem rather gimmicky but it could turn out to be quite interesting. It does sound like they would basically be racing each other though. IMHO to have more than one F1 race in a meeting would devalue them somewhat. Works fine in GP2, WTCC and the like, but not for F1...

[Glen]

What exactly is the problem with the "fuel thing"? You can go light and compromise your race - so there's not much point. What's the problem?

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by Down F0rce

The current format minus the whole fuel load nonsense would be just fine. Or, as I've said before, keep Q1 and Q2 as they are and make Q3 a single lap shoot out between the top ten on low fuel.

The FOTA's new idea does seem rather gimmicky but it could turn out to be quite interesting. It does sound like they would basically be racing each other though. IMHO to have more than one F1 race in a meeting would devalue them somewhat. Works fine in GP2, WTCC and the like, but not for F1...

I say keep the three qualifying phases, scrap the fuel nonsense and introduce compound times.

In Q1, the 16 quickest go to Q2.
In Q2, the 8 quickest Q1+Q2 go to Q3.
In Q3, the final top-8 grid is decided by Q1+Q2+Q3 time.

This means an elimination shootout with everybody trying to set the quickest possible lap in each phase.

[duke_toaster]

Before this system is adopted it needs to have a trial run done at a test day. It could work very well - but how would the order for that knockout race work.

I'd like to see a system like Superleague Formula, except twelve drivers would make the playoffs and the top two in each would get a bye to round two. They could do the way they release the cars a bit more efficiently (have one match on the outlap, one on the timed and one on the inlap)

[racer69]

Why do so many series try and over-complicate everything, especially when it comes to qualifying???

johntt is on the money, nice and simple, easy to follow.... its the races they need to fix up, not qualifying

[chillibowl]

really like the same amount of fuel concept.

one question about the 14 lap shootout where the slowest is knocked out each lap. after the first lap, one driver on each subsequent lap will be on an "in lap" and moving rather slowly and presumably getting in everyones way...is that a good thing?

if the drivers can all agree that this is now part of the game and dealing with traffic is part of the skill of a quali shoot out then this could be very exciting and very unpredictable.

[duke_toaster]

I think it's not slowest car is eliminated. Think eliminator mode in Burnout.

[Dutton]

If they must dramatically alter qualifying again, and it seems to be something of an addiction, then they may aswell go for it proper style. My preference would be a reversion to the pre-2003 system, or something very close to it, but that isn't going to happen, so, to my mind, if they are going to change it a lot they may aswell give something like this proposal a try.

What wasn't totally clear was if this top-6 thing was a seperate part of the session to the first (i.e. Q1 and Q2). I am assuming that is the idea. If so, is the idea to be the eliminator system in Q2 as in Q1? Again, I am assuming this is the intention, but, as I read the article, it isn't made specifically clear.

I'd say, if this elimanation system were adopted, they should just leave it to run as one session (that is, no distinction of the top-6 thing). Start with 20 and keep going until only one is left in one continuous session, without the possibility of pitting for fresh rubber.

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

I think it's not slowest car is eliminated. Think eliminator mode in Burnout.

How does the Burnout thing work? I just ask because the article would seem to suggest that it is slowest car eliminated after each lap.

Originally Posted by Autosport Thread-Inspiring Article

The new idea to be looked at consists of all cars jumping onto the track at the same time and with the same amount of fuel, with the slowest driver being eliminated after each lap.

In particular:

Originally Posted by Autosport Thread-Inspiring Article

The new idea to be looked at consists of...the slowest driver being eliminated after each lap.

[Dutton]

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[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by Dutton

How does the Burnout thing work? I just ask because the article would seem to suggest that it is slowest car eliminated after each lap.

In essence, it's a "normal" race however the at the end of each lap the last place car is eliminated. At some point in the series they changed it to every 30 seconds, which was presumably when they increased the starting grid either from four or six.

Normal is in quotation marks as it's normal for Burnout. Normal for Burnout includes near misses on normal road traffic to gain a nitrousey thing and really crazy crash animations. And checkpoints which if you don't reach in a time limit you lose. One of the wackyer video game series in existance.

[Down F0rce]

When you first suggested "think Burnout", I thought you were jokingly meaning that the drivers would be running each other off the track. That would be fun to watch!

[Dutton]

Well, then, the proposal as I read it is not at all the Burnout thing. It isn't a race for position with the last position eliminated; it is a time-trial style competition with the slowest time eliminated.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

I think the biggest issue when all the car are on track to begin with,as I see it, is getting spacings correct.

There would have to be a timed release from the pitlane onto the "Outlap" with the outlap having to be done at a set pace to keep that spacing.

Given the spread around the track, each car is going to have to drive "The next" lap on the assumption that they are through, as the first on track is going to be 3/4 or the way around his next before finding out he's through or to abort into the pitlane.

During this stage, the TV coverage is basically only going to be each car around the final corner and across the line, with some nifty graphics to keep proper track of not just the fastest but the slowest. There won't be time to evaluate split times.

The glaring problem with this setup as I see it, is that if someone goes off on their 5th lap for example, there could be others behind who have yet to complete a 5th flying lap and others in front who could be well into their 6th.
Trying to sort those out and reset the spacings and fuel-per-laps run could take a lot longer than retreiving a car from the gravel.

If the same system is used for the final 6 cars, Obviously the spaces will be greater and there is the chance dependong on the circuit to perhaps get each car from 3 or 4 corners from the end, but we as a viewer wouldn't get to see the pole lap LIVE other than the last few corners.

[Stefvh]

Originally Posted by Dutton

Well, then, the proposal as I read it is not at all the Burnout thing. It isn't a race for position with the last position eliminated; it is a time-trial style competition with the slowest time eliminated.

I read the same.

[baclightning]

So what happens if more than one driver fails to complete a certain lap?