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27 Mar 2006, 20:16 (Ref:1562645) | #1 | ||
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Can Button Compete with the Likes of Kimi And Alonso
As great a driver button is, does he really have the power in the honda to keep up with the renaults and the mclarens...
As great as a job he did in malysia is it enough. To keep him in the running for the championship... |
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27 Mar 2006, 20:21 (Ref:1562654) | #2 | ||
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I have to say that I think what is keeping JB from beating these guys is the equipment he is working with. I am a big Honda fan but its reality. The car does not make enough downforce. In-turn they have to run more downforce than normal. In qualifying its not that detrimental but when trying to overtake in the races its more difficult. The motor is also not the most powerful on the grid. Its suspected that Mac and Cosworth both have more power.
That said the car is obviously a very good base. For JB to be disadvantaged and still be competitive says a lot about JB's skills and the car. Once their new wind tunnel is fully functional I expect to see a leap forward. |
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27 Mar 2006, 20:42 (Ref:1562676) | #3 | ||
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RB was interviewed on the weekend at the Clipsal 500 in Adelaide as he was there to support his mate Max Wilson. He made an interesting comment that the Honda is suited to JB's driving style and JB can drive around the cars problems and he has to change the way he drives.
He is having trouble with the cars driveabilty and the Ferrari while not perfect, was a lot easier to drive. The interview was on channel 10 Saturday. |
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27 Mar 2006, 20:44 (Ref:1562682) | #4 | ||
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I think Button can be WDC in the right car. He may not have the ultimate ability to push a good car finish far higher than it's supposed to (ie Senna, Schumacher), but Button has showed that he has an immense ability and not far off from the leading drivers of his generation (Kimi and Alonso).
I think this year and last had shown Button's ability to race sensibly and consistantly with his car. He has also shown a reasonable ability to race wheel to wheel with others, and overtake... although he still occasionally makes small errors under pressure. His pace generally is good too, so all in all, Button is very much near those top guys, and all he need is a slight car advantage over the others, and JB will get the job done. |
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27 Mar 2006, 20:56 (Ref:1562697) | #5 | ||
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I too think that Button can challenge for the title if he has the right car, whether or not that car will be a Honda though remains to be seen. I think Button will stay with Honda, how long for nobody knows. Beyond 2007 I cant see him staying with the team, unless of course they give him a car that is capable of winning the WDC. At the moment he has a car that is a potential race winner and consistant podium finisher, nothing more. IMO.
Who knows, maybe we could see Jenson at Renault or Ferrari in a couple of years from now. If that happens and he gets a truly competitve car beneath him then Im sure he is capable of race wins, and perhaps a WDC. |
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27 Mar 2006, 21:54 (Ref:1562747) | #6 | ||
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My personal feeling is that he can't, not on a consistant basis. However, it is hard to tell as he has never had a car capable of winning races. He has fared well against every team-mate except Fisichella, and Giancarlo has fared well against everyone except Alonso. Those two seasons were under circumstances which are not neccessarily true anymore - Jenson was affected by becomign a celebrity and a hero before he'd achieved anything concrete, and he also struggled with the uncompetitive nature of the 2001 Benetton.
The way it looks after 2 races, the Honda seems about even with McLaren, Ferrari and Williams, with only Renault really faster, so the odd win MAY be possible this year. |
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I think he can, again if he is in the right equipment. One has to remember he has never been in a winning car before. His team mates (apart from Sato); R. Schumacher, Fisichella, Trulli, Villeneuve and Barrichello have all been winners when their in good cars. But you have to remember that when they have been Button's team mates, and in the same car as him, none of them have won. If he had a winning car, he could easily challenge the likes of Alonso and Kimi, as he is one of the finest F1 drivers on the grid.
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Thay are not just going to act on RB's feedbacks simply because he has won races before (which is not necessarily the best measurement of a drivers's ability). As Driver said, the Ferrari was a lot easier to drive. Barrichello has had the privelage of driving the best car in F1 in his career for at least 4 years, and he didn't even come close to matching his team mate. If Jenson was not at Honda when David Richards took over, I am not sure that they would be where they are now if it wasn't for him. |
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I think Jenson has suffered badly from a lack of settlement in his career, generated not only by himself; during the well-documented Williams-Gate epics, but also; the original pilot version if you will; whereby Sir Frank was the bad guy with the whole Montoya situation.
What ever happened to going back in 2003? On that basis; i'd say that the only seasons thus far Jenson has had some clarity on his immediate future at best; were 2001 and 2003, and I believe, Jenson's on track exploits have suffered as a consequence. We know he is a good driver, his record pre-F1, and certain F1 outings, concrete that claim. As yet, in reality he has not yet had the winning package; and he probably doesn't have the same level of complete talent; combined attributes, that perhaps Alonso, Raikkonen and the almighty German in the Scarlet cars have. As many have said then I offer in way of conclusion, he can be WDC in the right package. BUT. He really needs a win. |
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Whether he has the outright speed of a Raikkonen or Alonso remains to be seen.
Like many fans, I look forward the day when Jenson climbs into a winning machine, but unfortunately, it looks like the Honda is slightly off the pace in 2006. I predict that Jenson will be a regular visitor to the podium this year and that he may even score that coveted maiden victory but I don't think he has the package to give Kimi & Fernando a run for their money in the Championship race. |
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Given the right car anybody can be World Champion, there's plenty of examples of that, but taking the title with a less than perfect car is the mark of a 'true' champion.
So if JB is the real deal he will show us what he can do with a Honda, perfect or not. I wonder if this discussion would take place in, say, France or Spain? No! JB's a Brit thus all the fuss. |
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On the other hand, I have always felt the car makes the man so Alonso would not look so impressive in a Honda either. I dont think he would have done any better. |
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Honda is not quite there yet but they are very close. One thing is certain in my mind: When he gets the chance to race with Kimi and FA and others, Jenson must not let these guys intimidate him on the track, like Michael has in the past. JB seems more determined than ever this year and quite aggressive lately; he must reinforce that he will not be bullied.
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agree Kirk. Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Villeneuve, Mansell and many more winners all would occasionally wreck a car in an attempt not to get passed. They just seemed to race a little "harder" than everyone else. I'm not saying that Button should randomly destroy machinery, but a clean, well placed wheel-bump here and there may help his cause. Make the car a little wider ... dive up the inside a little more bonsai-like. He just needs more killer instinct.
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He's a good driver for sure, who's earned his place in F1. Given a good enough car, he'd probably win a few races.
However, I don't think he's WDC material. I personally don't think he's up there with Kimi and Fernando. |
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I don't think he's that good so as to beat them.
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As for Gilles Villeneuve, he was a little too much of a hard-charger, and his aggressive style and determination to chase victory (when many would have settled into a comfortable points-scoring position) arguably robbed him of the chance to become a World Champion. It did however cause many racing followers, including myself, to grow incredibly fond of him. |
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Jenson is close to their level of ability, but perhaps slightly behind, although a car which needs to be driven smoothly might turn things in his favour.
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