Not good enough Stewards and CH10

[ADZ351]

My rant and dont hold back if you think this is unreasonable...

Firstly, Is it just me or was it stupid to let the field race for so long past the stricken Besnard car stuck in the sand without sending out the safety car.

Secondly, The amount of laps behind the safety car to get Besnard out, sure there were two other stricken cars to move but for a world class event is two tow trucks the best you can do??? How about a winch attached to the fence at each corner where there is a sand trap and as soon as a car goes in a guy runs over, hooks up the stricken car and it gets draged out of harms way.

Thirdly, Network 10, the comentators played up how the last sprint home of the red flagged third race was going to be so critical and then, broadcasting the pre recorded race, with failing light, wet track and only 6 nail biting laps to go they put in a barrage of ad's. There are good and bad times to play ad's, that was a BAD time.

[peckstar]

agree with you totally on the first two

but how many laps did we misss out on watching as a result of the add break? was it any?

[hrt_rulz01]

no, u didnt miss out on any. u picked up where u left off but still, thats not the point. channel ten did it all yesterday. i think there were more ads than racing! i was getting ****ed!

[Head Rev]

What do the Stewards have to do with the safety car!!!! For as long as I have been involved in motorsport they have no control over the safety car or other aspects of the race. That is done by the Clerk of the Course or his assistants.

[TSR]

Absolutly agree with all your comments. I thought is was a joke watching all the drama's on Ch serious. It was a black day for officaldem for AVSCO & TEGA.

But I fear that Aussie Bernie will just wipe it aside.

[Spunky]

I made a point of all of this in the race thread. I have never seen such a c*k up before. There was just incident after incident which made the officials ie Avesco/Cams look like absolute amatuers. At least in NZ they speak English, whats going to happen with the communication in China. Can't wait to see this one.

[hml2777]

Originally Posted by Head Rev

What do the Stewards have to do with the safety car!!!! For as long as I have been involved in motorsport they have no control over the safety car or other aspects of the race. That is done by the Clerk of the Course or his assistants.

Or in the wonderful world of V8's, then the Race Director (Tim Schenken) makes the call. A bit different to all meetings where the C of C has control. The C of C at the V8's is secondary to the Race Director.

[lookleft]

Originally Posted by ADZ351

Firstly, Is it just me or was it stupid to let the field race for so long past the stricken Besnard car stuck in the sand without sending out the safety car.

Nope, I think most would agree.

Originally Posted by ADZ351

Secondly, The amount of laps behind the safety car to get Besnard out, sure there were two other stricken cars to move but for a world class event is two tow trucks the best you can do??? How about a winch attached to the fence at each corner where there is a sand trap and as soon as a car goes in a guy runs over, hooks up the stricken car and it gets draged out of harms way.

joke, farce etc. Liked Cromleys comment .... "why is the WPS car still there? .. oh, the truck is still sorting out the Orrcon car." WTF - is there only one tow truck in unzed? lol

Originally Posted by ADZ351

Thirdly, Network 10, the comentators played up how the last sprint home of the red flagged third race was going to be so critical and then, broadcasting the pre recorded race, with failing light, wet track and only 6 nail biting laps to go they put in a barrage of ad's. There are good and bad times to play ad's, that was a BAD time.

Well we didn't miss any laps so no huge drama. Didn't see the ad's on Tivo anyway . Laps turned out not to be so nail biting

The Jones rollover took way too long to attend AND the Johnson car stuck in the high speed pit entry was a bit dangerous.

All in all these issues are across several areas but mainly the Race Director. Do we really expect much better. No doubt we will get a RPM story sometime about how hard the job is.

[Conrod Kieron]

Anyone think the sound mixing was bad? I quite often found it hard to hear the commentating above the on track noise.

[retro]

Originally Posted by Conrod Kieron

Anyone think the sound mixing was bad? I quite often found it hard to hear the commentating above the on track noise.

A techo friend told me the TV signal from NZ is some sort of composite PAL format that doesn't match Aus. specs perfectly and so the sound and picture will never be perfect. (I don't understand this myself)

They were only about 35 mins from being live so it must be a panic to get it to air when there is a delay in the race - that might account for one of the very long add breaks just before the end.

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by lookleft

All in all these issues are across several areas but mainly the Race Director. Do we really expect much better. No doubt we will get a RPM story sometime about how hard the job is.

As he is getting paid a fortune to do it, and has been doing it for a long time, my answer is Yes!

[resisturban]

Originally Posted by lookleft

The Jones rollover took way too long to attend

I totally disagree.

I would much rather risk the life of Brad Jones, than to risk the lives of the medical staff, rescue team and fire marshalls. There is no way that i would send those latter people over to Jones until it was ensured that they werent in any (high) risk. As we saw from the TK incident, even when the race is under safety car, they are still hooting around with disregard for safety.

[fordo]

Originally Posted by retro

They were only about 35 mins from being live so it must be a panic to get it to air when there is a delay in the race - that might account for one of the very long add breaks just before the end.

Where did the 35 mins come from? I spoke to my sister in Pukekohe at 3.50 pm Qld time and she said it was 5.45 there and the 3rd heat was long finished and it was pitch black at night. She rewound the tape she had recorded from NZ TV that afternoon because she had been at work, and started it playing at roughly where we were on our broadcast and we had ads where she had none.

[Pro Racer]

that 16 lap after the red flag was bullsh!t 16 laps till the required distance to declair the marshals etc had to clear the cars debree etc the teams had to put wets on just for 16 laps and saying the 32 laps completed was rediculous i reckon.

but thats my opinion.

well done murph enjoy the penthouse.

[retro]

Originally Posted by fordo

Where did the 35 mins come from? I spoke to my sister in Pukekohe at 3.50 pm Qld time and she said it was 5.45 there and the 3rd heat was long finished and it was pitch black at night. She rewound the tape she had recorded from NZ TV that afternoon because she had been at work, and started it playing at roughly where we were on our broadcast and we had ads where she had none.

I posted herethat the race finished at 16.04. The race finished on 10 in Brisbane about 16.50 to 16.55 so that makes the gap roughly 50 min. Some how my memory of this was 35 mins. Suppose it just proves how exciting v8 supercars are.

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by fordo

Where did the 35 mins come from? I spoke to my sister in Pukekohe at 3.50 pm Qld time and she said it was 5.45 there and the 3rd heat was long finished and it was pitch black at night. She rewound the tape she had recorded from NZ TV that afternoon because she had been at work, and started it playing at roughly where we were on our broadcast and we had ads where she had none.

I took a call at 5:30pm on my mobile on Race Day Sunday asking about what was happening. At that stage the 16 lap Race 3 Mk 2 hadn't been started. Maybe your sister runs to a different time zone

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Spunky

I made a point of all of this in the race thread. I have never seen such a c*k up before. There was just incident after incident which made the officials ie Avesco/Cams look like absolute amatuers.

Well heeellooo!! the majority of officials ARE amatuers (meaning unpaid), inconsistently trained, varying degrees of experience and sometimes just straight out, out of their depth.

If you want perfection then go and watch Gymnastics or something....

You get what you pay for AVESCO and all the other race organisers!!

[v8man]

[QUOTE=ADZ351]My rant and dont hold back if you think this is unreasonable...

Secondly, The amount of laps behind the safety car to get Besnard out, sure there were two other stricken cars to move but for a world class event is two tow trucks the best you can do??? How about a winch attached to the fence at each corner where there is a sand trap and as soon as a car goes in a guy runs over, hooks up the stricken car and it gets draged out of harms way.

The stupid thing about Besnard's car waiting to be picked up was that they moved Johnson's car first however it was at pit entry and had been for most of the race, if they only had 2 tow trucks in the the whole of NZ then the race director should of made sure the 2 cars that were on the track were removed before car 17

[Aarrgh8]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Well, heeellooo!! the majority of officials ARE amateurs (meaning unpaid), inconsistently trained, varying degrees of experience and sometimes just straight out, out of their depth.You get what you pay for AVESCO and all the other race organisers!!

I agree, no worries. No-one here is criticising those people who voluntarily work in official positions at motor-sport events. I think some of us are wondering how the biggest category in Australasian motor-sport that quotes so many wondrous numbers about the dollars, spectators, viewers, etc. depends so heavily on unpaid volunteers. All the points others have raised here about the time that Baird's car sat in such a vulnerable spot, how long it took to get aid to Brad Jones, how it took so long to remove cars when the flags finally came out, etc, are valid. Nothing against the volunteers, but plenty against those who demand five-star hotels, quote big numbers, and then depend on these volunteers to amke it happen.

As for those ads... I get to a few Supercar rounds every season, but I don't spend Sunday afternoons in front of the TV when I can't be there. I enjoy Supercars, but not to the extent that I sit in a room watching TV on the best afternnon of the week. I record, avoid any media, or getting onto the internet, spend time with friends and family, and watch the recording later. I watched yesterday's five-hour telecast in less than three hours last night, and didn't miss a thing - even replaying some of the contentious bits,.

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Well heeellooo!! the majority of officials ARE amatuers (meaning unpaid), inconsistently trained, varying degrees of experience and sometimes just straight out, out of their depth.

If you want perfection then go and watch Gymnastics or something....

You get what you pay for AVESCO and all the other race organisers!!

You may want to read where I said official IE Avesco/Cams. Meaning Cams officials wearing AVesco shirts.
I am well aware of the track volunteer officials and they do a wonderful job without them there would be no racing.

[fordo]

Originally Posted by Just Do It!

I took a call at 5:30pm on my mobile on Race Day Sunday asking about what was happening. At that stage the 16 lap Race 3 Mk 2 hadn't been started. Maybe your sister runs to a different time zone

No turns out she didn't even get all the racing on tape. hehe. She didn't look and stopped it to rewind it for me to see if they had the same amount of ads... Duuh. If they hadn't had all the delays it would have been all over when I spoke to her(which she obviously wrongly assumed) but she didn't know because she hadn't seen it.
She had been at work since 7am and just got home assuming it was all over because it was so dark. 6 pm there, 4 pm here 2 hrs diff. Race over and drivers doing parade lap at 4.50 pm our time or 6.50 yours. Still an hours delay for no reason. It doesn't take that long to get a signal across the ditch, and it still doesn't explain why so many bl..dy ads.

[lookleft]

Originally Posted by resisturban

I totally disagree.

I would much rather risk the life of Brad Jones, than to risk the lives of the medical staff, rescue team and fire marshalls. There is no way that i would send those latter people over to Jones until it was ensured that they werent in any (high) risk. As we saw from the TK incident, even when the race is under safety car, they are still hooting around with disregard for safety.

Well that's a pretty short sighted stance. What you are implying is that because Todd Kelly is a danger under yellow flag conditions then all other drivers should remain at risk in a rollover incident. Surely the correct response is to send a very strong message to drivers that a SC board and Medical Intervention require them to reduce speed to have full control of the vehicle, under any circumstance. Of course to assist with this the pit lane HAS to close the SECOND the SC board is displayed.

Anyway, going to start a new thread on the Kelly thing.

[twinwebbers]

Originally Posted by Aarrgh8

I record, avoid any media, or getting onto the internet, spend time with friends and family, and watch the recording later. I watched yesterday's five-hour telecast in less than three hours last night, and didn't miss a thing - even replaying some of the contentious bits,.

Its the only way to do it. You get to enjoy the best bits without the ads and spend a great afternoon in the sunshine. Who cares if you hear the result before, its all about the racing not the result anyway.

[Wheels]

Didn't they get a tractor to Bezzys' car, move it about a meter and a half, and then leave it for the tilt-tray? I'll have to have a look at the tape again but I think they did.

Wheels.

[Spunky]

Yep that what they did. There were only two tilt trays, and one was at Bargs car and the other at Johnson's car.