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25 Mar 2010, 21:45 (Ref:2660108)
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Virgin fuel tank too small
Is this for real? It's a GMM story and no one else has picked it up other than SPEED so???
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...-finish-races/ REALLY? How can you make a mistake like this if you had fuel consumption numbers for the engine months in advance??? |
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25 Mar 2010, 22:12 (Ref:2660118)
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Fuel consumption depends on the car as much as the engine, especially as the cars are quite draggy. A silly mistake, but if there is a mistake it is not to realise that fuel consumption depends on more than just the engine. They had low levels of experience here.
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25 Mar 2010, 23:01 (Ref:2660141)
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Surely they must have had an idea of the drag co-efficient when calculating down force levels and fuel consumption. They would need to know this for wing design, angles etc. would they not? Someone with Nick Wirths' experience would have double checked the numbers IMO. Having said that, they do everything on a razors edge in F1. Perhaps the CFD numbers were not quite as accurate as they had hoped? I wish the team all the best, it will just take them a little longer to get there now.
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25 Mar 2010, 23:54 (Ref:2660163)
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26 Mar 2010, 00:53 (Ref:2660175)
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Not the first time it's happened either. Getting the numbers right based on estimates with different circuits etc is not an exact science & they clearly went a bit too aggressive.
I've seen F1 cars need to build in bigger tanks or when the regs allowed add extra tanks. One car had as many as 11 small tanks (yep, 11) fitted to the car & connected at the first race of the season. Teething trouble but they'll sort it out. Surprised that the testing didn't pick it up though. |
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26 Mar 2010, 01:16 (Ref:2660181)
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This was dismissed as nonsense before Bahrain
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26 Mar 2010, 01:30 (Ref:2660187)
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This is clearly rubbish. The new times are likely to have been the most conservative on something like this.
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26 Mar 2010, 02:13 (Ref:2660196)
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Well well well...it's true, then. As confirmed on 5 Live now
The other teams have been informed that Virgin can change their chassis |
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26 Mar 2010, 02:14 (Ref:2660197)
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The BBC are pretty convinced that the rumour is true. 12 litres short allegedly.
However, this is completely academic as the Virgin doesn't have enough hydraulic fluid to complete the race either. |
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26 Mar 2010, 02:16 (Ref:2660198)
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I am sure they will get a bigger one soon.. It's ONLY a joke before you complain..
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26 Mar 2010, 02:17 (Ref:2660200)
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Just come through from another source as well.
Oh well, looks like using all the computers for the CFD meant they didn't have enough for some of the basic design issues |
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26 Mar 2010, 02:18 (Ref:2660201)
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26 Mar 2010, 02:23 (Ref:2660205)
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26 Mar 2010, 08:27 (Ref:2660265)
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I'm glad the teams have seemingly agreed to let Virgin make htis change. The damage to F1's image from the team dawdling around trying to reach the end on limited fuel is greater than the threat of Virgin actually beating any of them. It shows just what a bad set of choices the FIA made with the new teams, only the second Lotus application look a decent choice so far.
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26 Mar 2010, 08:35 (Ref:2660266)
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This could hardly have been a more unfortunate mistake for a team whose name sponsor operates an airline to make, I think we'll see some humorous and, for Virgin, embarassing comment on this soon.
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26 Mar 2010, 08:54 (Ref:2660272)
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26 Mar 2010, 09:41 (Ref:2660289)
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, and when the chasis is re homologated, i wonder if it has an extra hole or two for a possible F Duct
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26 Mar 2010, 10:21 (Ref:2660303)
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Unfortuneatly they have bigger problems than needing an f-duct at the moment
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26 Mar 2010, 10:23 (Ref:2660305)
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26 Mar 2010, 10:58 (Ref:2660321)
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26 Mar 2010, 11:09 (Ref:2660325)
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Apparently a team of taxi-drivers have been drafted in to teach Timo and Lucas how to go everywhere in fifth and freewheel down hills.
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26 Mar 2010, 11:44 (Ref:2660348)
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How big a job is this? As they have to resubmit for crash testing, I assume that they'll need to build an extra chassis? Do they have to build c.4 new chassis's or can they modify what they have? I'd assume that building 4 completely new chassis's would financially cripple the team.
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26 Mar 2010, 12:02 (Ref:2660359)
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They could just buy smaller drivers.
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26 Mar 2010, 12:48 (Ref:2660375)
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So now we know there's at least one team that's hoping for a Safety Car this weekend...
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