Zandvoort Masters of F3 cancelled

Daisy · 22 Feb 2007, 18:01 (Ref:1849285)

Thanks to the Dutch court, the Zandvoort Circuit has to cut on international racing days. They had to cancel one event, so the Masters are now off.

It's not totally of yet, as they are gonna try if it's possible to combine it with the A1GP weekend, but I'm not happy happy with this news

dave not neil · 22 Feb 2007, 19:41 (Ref:1849356)

Booooooooo

hotwheels · 22 Feb 2007, 19:47 (Ref:1849358)

are you guys sure about this??? Wasn't it supposed to be together with the NEC Renault 2-liter round?

**bella** · 22 Feb 2007, 19:49 (Ref:1849359)

well that's complete penguins

strider · 22 Feb 2007, 22:16 (Ref:1849449)

I guess Daisy's on the spot, so should know, but I'm not convinced yet.

Anyway, when is the A1GP event, October sometime?

racecontrol · 22 Feb 2007, 23:18 (Ref:1849485)

Noooooo! I've been to the Master just once but has been the best race experience of ever!!
So many people for a F3 race, so many future talents alltogether...
Noooo! It can not be the end of the Zandvoort Master...
Noooo, noooo, noooo!

Dutch chap · 23 Feb 2007, 00:58 (Ref:1849531)

No reason for any doubts about this sad news. It's on the Zandvoort circuit website.

strider · 23 Feb 2007, 12:25 (Ref:1849846)

The Masters is now going to be held at Zolder, I think on the first weekend in August. The teams were notified today.

It definitely won't be the same, but I suppose it's better than nothing. At least the organisation will be the same.

**bella** · 23 Feb 2007, 12:34 (Ref:1849852)

ARSE.

ah well, i suppose at least the race is still on. no trip to the seaside though

META4 · 23 Feb 2007, 12:41 (Ref:1849859)

Are there so many international events at Zandvoort Circuit???

Obizzz · 23 Feb 2007, 12:50 (Ref:1849864)

WTCC is a new event there this year so that's at least one new

**bella** · 23 Feb 2007, 13:01 (Ref:1849875)

it's also the length of the event that's a problem - the masters was reduced to 2 days from 3 to allow for another meeting (iirc in time for the 2006 event). and wtcc will probably be a 3 day event, along with a1gp also being 3 days, same with dtm (is that still there?). and i don't think their allowance is many more than 9 days. so it's a bit tricky for them.

Obizzz · 23 Feb 2007, 13:08 (Ref:1849877)

What is the allowance related to? Sound regulations?

**bella** · 23 Feb 2007, 15:18 (Ref:1849937)

it's an allowance of days above a set noise limit, which as i understand it, is just above the noise made by formula renaults, but some distance below that made by a f3 car. it's not possible to silence a f3 car to the relevant noise level.

strider · 23 Feb 2007, 15:47 (Ref:1849943)

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Originally Posted by bella

it's also the length of the event that's a problem - the masters was reduced to 2 days from 3 to allow for another meeting (iirc in time for the 2006 event). and wtcc will probably be a 3 day event, along with a1gp also being 3 days, same with dtm (is that still there?). and i don't think their allowance is many more than 9 days. so it's a bit tricky for them.

It's actually worse than that. Until now the allowance has been 7 noisy days and they were hoping it would be increased to 10 for this year. Instead the government (not even the local authority) told them they are now restricted to 5 noisy days. Those will go to the DTM and the A1GP. Even then they will have to squash things up a bit. I don't know where the WTCC fits in. Is that not noisy?

Dutch chap · 23 Feb 2007, 16:00 (Ref:1849948)

Went to Zandvoort today for the WTCC testing. I can't believe that these cars don't exceed the noice limit, so its seems the plan is: 3 days for DTM, 2 days for A1 GP and 2 days for WTCC. As far is I understand there are still 7 (full) noisy days allowed. This "Masters to Zolder" is new to me. As I understood they are trying to combine the Masters with the A1GP in one weeekend.

BOSSman · 23 Feb 2007, 16:04 (Ref:1849949)

Quote:

Originally Posted by strider

...I don't know where the WTCC fits in. Is that not noisy?

WTCC car`s and noisy?

When you hear it you think they have two silencers...

Christian
EuroBOSS

strider · 23 Feb 2007, 16:47 (Ref:1849958)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch chap

This "Masters to Zolder" is new to me. As I understood they are trying to combine the Masters with the A1GP in one weeekend.

I think they were, but the A1GP weekend clashes with the final round of British F3 at Rockingham. They wouldn't change that now, hence Zolder. The British teams are much less enthusiastic about the Masters now it's run on Kumhos, because that automatically gives an edge to the Euroseries teams. They should run a neutral tyre, as in Macau.

I really hope they can sort something out at Zandvoort for 2008. It was always one of the highlights of my year. I really like Holland and the Dutch people (and I'm not saying that just because it's you, Dutch chap!

)

kurtiejjj · 23 Feb 2007, 17:10 (Ref:1849970)

It was a lower organ than the government who got it cancelled it was some kind of province court, the government had given the 'order' to get as much big events to Holland as possible. But as the provinces and cities are mostly run by a bunch of mad greenies and lefties (probaply because they're extremely fanatic with voting) things are not really working out like our liberal gov wants.

**bella** · 23 Feb 2007, 17:17 (Ref:1849976)

i suppose as well that it generally doesn't bring any mass invasion of people, because most of the accomodation is usually booked up by holidaymakers around the area.

i think in absense of a neutral tyre, a neutral track is a reasonable alternative. on the other hand, i believe they're considerably more flexible on testing than zandvoort were, so there is still scope for getting a quick few laps in to get ahead.

Rob29 · 23 Feb 2007, 17:39 (Ref:1849988)

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Originally Posted by strider

I think they were, but the A1GP weekend clashes with the final round of British F3 at Rockingham.

)

I was not aware any dates had been confirmed for an A1GP season 07/08,even if a 3rd season would take place.Shame about loss of F3 atZandvoot,also I would have rather seen Champcar/Euroboss there rather than Zolder & Assen.

strider · 23 Feb 2007, 17:55 (Ref:1850000)

A neutral track is better than nothing. But there is a ban on testing at the circuit where the race is to be held from the date the regulations are issued, so people are going to get a move on.

Dutch chap · 23 Feb 2007, 20:08 (Ref:1850085)

Quote:

Originally Posted by strider

I really like Holland and the Dutch people (and I'm not saying that just because it's you, Dutch chap!

)

You're right. All the others are nice people. I'm one of te few exeptions.

strider · 24 Feb 2007, 01:37 (Ref:1850248)

There's a report about this on autosport.com now, although they haven't caught up with the Zolder part of it yet. From what I understand, that will only go ahead if all the teams agree to support it. My feeling is that they will.

Apparently the WTCC cars are below the noise limit, which is a surprise judging by some of the posts here.

**bella** · 24 Feb 2007, 11:07 (Ref:1850448)

isn't the zandvoort noise limit done by general noise rather than testing an isolated car?

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