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Old 6 Nov 2008, 03:43 (Ref:2329196)   #1
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You Saw History.

You did. Come on.

Screw your interests. It was epic.

Love it; hate it.

Come on.....................

Admit it: you hate it, but F1 lasted until the final corner of the last race of the championship.

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F1 is a massively flawed beast, but both titles were open to 18th and final round. The WDC was decided in the final corner of the final race of the championship.

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Old 6 Nov 2008, 04:11 (Ref:2329200)   #2
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 07:38 (Ref:2329236)   #3
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Absolutely; the problem is, have FIA, among the unnumerable new rules they're going to set for the sake of F1, one that enforces weather to be stormy throughout the races?

We have had a terrific finale for a season in which sunny races have been generally dull and boring, and wet ones extremely exciting..
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 13:51 (Ref:2329437)   #4
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It shouldn't have gone to the last corner though should it?

Epic finale, but falsely set up. Thank god the right result was attained.
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 18:46 (Ref:2329606)   #5
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If that Stallone's movie ended like this even his fans would have said "It's too much"
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You did. Come on.

Screw your interests. It was epic.

Love it; hate it.

Come on.....................

Admit it: you hate it, but F1 lasted until the final corner of the last race of the championship.

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F1 is a massively flawed beast, but both titles were open to 18th and final round. The WDC was decided in the final corner of the final race of the championship.
Without a doubt.

But hey, it's the Greatest Sport in the World.

Without a doubt.
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 19:39 (Ref:2329636)   #7
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I see history every day

But yeah it definitely was a good finale
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 20:01 (Ref:2329653)   #8
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Without a doubt.

But hey, it's the Greatest Sport in the World.

Without a doubt.
Just browse this forum pages and you see that the marjority doesn't agree with you about it.





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The last ten minutes of this season's racing were AWESOME. The last three minutes were EPIC.

Really, what a finish!
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 22:38 (Ref:2329743)   #10
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Lewis got the title 4 corners & 20 seconds before the finish line, Question for the anoraks - Has the championship ever been decided so closely before?
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 22:46 (Ref:2329746)   #11
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You got it in one Dutton: it was epic!
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Old 7 Nov 2008, 00:27 (Ref:2329770)   #12
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The season has definitely been an historical one...some parts were histerical,but for the most part historical.
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Old 7 Nov 2008, 03:05 (Ref:2329814)   #13
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I was just going to post that. If the points are manipulated artificially then it does take away from the spectacle. However, LH got the job done and showed he was the best this year.

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It shouldn't have gone to the last corner though should it?

Epic finale, but falsely set up. Thank god the right result was attained.
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Very true - I seems to spend my life defending F1's credibility to my football loving friends. Hard job sometimes too!
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Old 7 Nov 2008, 15:44 (Ref:2330134)   #15
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Well, anyone could have seen this bit of history ...
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Old 8 Nov 2008, 15:19 (Ref:2330660)   #16
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It shouldn't have gone to the last corner though should it?
I dont know, perhaps you should ask Mr Eccelstone, as he said before the start of the race it becomes harder and harder to orchestrate the Championship each year.

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Epic finale, but falsely set up. Thank god the right result was attained.
Indeed, after all the stuff that has happened to Hamilton and McLaren over the last couple of years I think this is the least they deserve. Coudnt help but feel a little sorry for Massa though, great driver and a great personality. Reminds me a bit of Barrichello when he was at Ferrari, (other than the fact they are both Brazillian) always the bridesmaid but never the bride?
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Old 8 Nov 2008, 18:39 (Ref:2330725)   #17
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Reminds me a bit of Barrichello when he was at Ferrari, (other than the fact they are both Brazillian) always the bridesmaid but never the bride?
Massa got to be the bride this year but was jilted at the altar.
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The bottom line is that F1 has been saved by the weather this year, without it's intervention all the races would have been like watching paint dry.
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Old 10 Nov 2008, 01:36 (Ref:2331312)   #20
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Each time a race is staged, history is made, as the results will be forever etched in the record books. Each world champion makes history in his own right because, no matter how their career proceeds after that, the fact that they won a championship cannot be taken away from them.
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[QUOTE=SALEEN S7R]I dont know, perhaps you should ask Mr Eccelstone, as he said before the start of the race it becomes harder and harder to orchestrate the Championship each year.

Do you remember the Catchpole cartoons in the 80s? When a race was more interesting, or exciting, you'd have some pithy comment about how Bernie needs to be careful, punters will never believe it's not a fake...

Remember Prost winning in 86? Williams enter the last race 1st and 2nd, and came away with nothing. Bernie is VERY good...
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One thing people should remember is this is hardly the first championship in history with a questionable penalty somewhere along the line. The nature of sport means things cannot be uniformly predicted.

Under the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system, Massa would've won the championship. The saving grace for this season is the current points system?

This year we have been fortunate in the amount of rain, aswell as the strangely poor overall performances/consistency by Ferrari and Mclaren (this includes their drivers). These things combined transpired to give us the season we got.

Some people would take the reality of the above paragraph to somehow take something away from the year. I disagree. A season is defined by what happens during it. Different seasons see different things, and for different reasons. There is not right or wrong. There is not good or bad. There is just different.

The 2008 season, all things considered, was pretty remarkable. F1 in general, well, 2005-2008 has been pretty competitive at the top. 2003 was too. That is not too bad a hit rate over the recent years. 1996-2000 all ran close in the WDC at least (the WCC was often the same). I am not trying to suggest that F1 has been perfect (VERY far from it), but rather that the championships are rather close run pretty regularly. This has to be worth something?

The on-track racing is a touch lame. This is why efforts to make the cars better able to actually race should be the primary focus of the intersted parties. This, however, IMO, should not be taken at the cost of spec racing (which often fails to produce the result at any rate!).

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Under the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system, Massa would've won the championship. The saving grace for this season is the current points system?
That assumes that Massa would have won at Spa.... I would argue thast under the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system he wouldn't have won at Spa because the decision taken after the event regarding the Hamilton penalty may never have been made and personally I don't think it would have.

If we are going to take the years results under a different scoring system then take the results as they finished on the road not with the amended result after the Spa and Japan penalties were inflicted.
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Given the essentially pointlessly meaningless nature of involving alternative points methods, I had decided to leave the only altered variable being the points system.

I was actually trying to poke fun at the notion of using what-ifs of alternative points systems as part of debate, as opposed to using it as a something to help my cause (as it were).
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