Hansen to race Citroen C4 at Croft Superprix!!!

fullcircle · 6 Sep 2006, 13:36 (Ref:1703318)

Just heard the news Kenneth Hansen will race at the 2006 Rallycross Super prix on 28th and 29th October.

Well done to the RSS boys for enticing the first C4 WRC onto British soil, should be superb racing and am sure judging by the performances so far this year he will be tough to beat.

Just wondering which other European drivers are now going to fill the remaining places...

Cryos · 6 Sep 2006, 16:09 (Ref:1703440)

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Originally Posted by fullcircle

Just heard the news Kenneth Hansen will race at the 2006 Rallycross Super prix on 28th and 29th October.

Well done to the RSS boys for enticing the first C4 WRC onto British soil, should be superb racing and am sure judging by the performances so far this year he will be tough to beat.

Just wondering which other European drivers are now going to fill the remaining places...

c4 wrc ???

i thought hansens was RSC ?

JAG · 6 Sep 2006, 16:58 (Ref:1703480)

It will be great IF he has some serious competition, or at the very least a healthy field of Supercars.

Otherwise the Croft BRC round may be a better option.

Last years Superprix was great, would be nice to see some more of those Volvos.

rx-guru · 6 Sep 2006, 19:07 (Ref:1703620)

FIA rules quote: "Division 1: Touring Cars. Homologated in Group A (kit car and world rally car excluded) or in Supertouring and conforming to Appendix J Group A (Articles 251 to 255), the modifications listed in Articles 2 and 3 below are permitted."

Hansen's Car is a Citroën C4 T16 4x4 (Rallycross Special) and not a WRC. Some people should better study the current rules instead of fiddling with tags.

fullcircle · 6 Sep 2006, 20:19 (Ref:1703724)

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Originally Posted by rxie

c4 wrc ???

i thought hansens was RSC ?

Is it really that important?

PhergAthor · 7 Sep 2006, 11:38 (Ref:1704029)

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Originally Posted by fullcircle

Is it really that important?

Actually it is. Both WRC and RX are based on group-A cars, but WRC allows parts that are homologated especcially for WRC. RX does not allow those "exclusive WRC-parts". With those parts the already big RX Div1 budgets would be even higher.
There are more differences (like the restrictor), but I'm not a complete techno-geek.

Concusion: even if they have the same "look", RX and WRC are different under the surface.

leonidas · 7 Sep 2006, 13:10 (Ref:1704133)

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Originally Posted by JAG

It will be great IF he has some serious competition, or at the very least a healthy field of Supercars.

Otherwise the Croft BRC round may be a better option.

According to the website Evans is already booked in together with most of the BRC Supercar regulars and several Poles. There's a big Norwegian contingent in the Supernationals including a Mercs, a Porsche and a stack of awesome S40s... looking good so far!

Cryos · 7 Sep 2006, 13:42 (Ref:1704163)

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Originally Posted by PhergAthor

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Originally Posted by fullcircle

Is it really that important?

Actually it is. Both WRC and RX are based on group-A cars, but WRC allows parts that are homologated especcially for WRC. RX does not allow those "exclusive WRC-parts". With those parts the already big RX Div1 budgets would be even higher.
There are more differences (like the restrictor), but I'm not a complete techno-geek.

Concusion: even if they have the same "look", RX and WRC are different under the surface.

So bottom line FullCircle Yes it is; Guru has kindly helped you understand the rules on this one

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Originally Posted by rx-guru

FIA rules quote: "Division 1: Touring Cars. Homologated in Group A (kit car and world rally car excluded) or in Supertouring and conforming to Appendix J Group A (Articles 251 to 255), the modifications listed in Articles 2 and 3 below are permitted."

Hansen's Car is a Citroën C4 T16 4x4 (Rallycross Special) and not a WRC. Some people should better study the current rules instead of fiddling with tags.

Its good to see that at least some of out members have a good working know how of rallycross cars.

rx-guru · 7 Sep 2006, 19:53 (Ref:1704439)

Apropos: I completely forgot to point out that the C4 is not yet homologated with FIA, so recently it's not a WRC nor even a Group A car.

See: http://www.fia.com/sport/Homologatio..._vehicles.html
(check the first file of the list for France and Citroën)

And here you can find the current rules (Article 279; section marked in yellow) why Hansen's and Anne's C4s are nevertheless legal for Rallycross:

http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/appjregs.html

Note: It's not necessary to know everything – but to know where to find the necessary information...

DCS · 7 Sep 2006, 20:59 (Ref:1704495)

Except for the shell there is no point in using WRC gear as the compression ratio and turbo size are wrong. Also because the WRC have transverse engines the dirveline is on the limit and you can't use the fancy diffs. A Rallycross engine will destroy the driveline. But ofcourse WRC's can be converted to inline engine and bigger turbo's, lower compression and oldskool diff's...

chunder · 7 Sep 2006, 21:17 (Ref:1704508)

Or they can be converted to use a transverse engine and a long gearbox using the Schanche type gearbox thing he practically invented and then other gearbox companies copied!

I think its great that Kenny and other drivers are allowed to use stuff that isnt legal in WRC yet, in time it might mean that teams like Citroen or Ford might use Rallycross to develop and race test parts, I am sure they do already in some areas, as they did years ago.

Its what rallycross supercars have always been about, the weird and the wonderful!

JAG · 8 Sep 2006, 15:21 (Ref:1705248)

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Originally Posted by leonidas

According to the website Evans is already booked in together with most of the BRC Supercar regulars and several Poles. There's a big Norwegian contingent in the Supernationals including a Mercs, a Porsche and a stack of awesome S40s... looking good so far!

2006 Rallycross Superprix
Croft Circuit - October 28th & 29th 2006

Division 1 (Maximum of 20 cars - 3 places remain)

1 Kenneth Hansen S Citroen C4
2 Christopher Evans IRE Opel Astra
3 PL Jacek Ptaszek PL Toyota Corolla
4 TBA TBA TBA TBA
5 4 Steve Hill GB Mitsubishi Lancer Evo
6 6 Tony Bell GB Toyota Corolla
7 TBA TBA TBA TBA
8 TBA TBA TBA TBA
9 TBA TBA TBA TBA
10 12 Mark Williams GB Ford Escort RS2000
11 14 Andy Grant GB Ford Escort RS2000
12 34 Kevin McCann GB Subaru Impreza
13 45 'Mad Mark' GB Citroen Xsara
14 52 Steve Mundy GB Ford Focus
15 70 Chris Langley GB Ford Escort RS2000
16 Mariusz Krolikowski PL Toyota Corolla
17 Marcin Gagacki PL Toyota Celica
18
19
20

Super National (Maximum of 20 cars - 3 places remain)

1 306 Stian Haugan N Volvo S40
2 308 Ola Froshaug N Volvo S40
3 321 Henning Nyberg N Volvo S40
4 328 Stein Svardal N Mazda RX7
5 334 Herbjorn Haug N Mercedes C290TSP
6 340 Stein Egil Jenssen N Volvo S40
7 352 Rune Engesvoll N Volvo S40
8 356 Trond Arne Stavne N Volvo S40
9 359 Richard Wakeling GB MG ZS
10 369 David Binks GB BMW Mini
11 387 Jamie Lea GB Ford Fiesta
12 Roy Hansen N Porsche 959
13 Kim Steinsholt N Volvo S40
14 Stale Simensen N Mercedes 220
15 332 Jamie Bird GB Renault Clio
16 TBA TBA TBA TBA
17 Urban Bergstrom S Volvo S40

Any idea what this is?

'12 Roy Hansen N Porsche 959 '

rx-guru · 8 Sep 2006, 15:31 (Ref:1705253)

Any idea what this is?

'12 Roy Hansen N Porsche 959 '

After watching the awful looking thing during the ECR at Maasmechelen: Not the real McCoy!

RXfan · 9 Sep 2006, 09:36 (Ref:1705773)

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Originally Posted by leonidas

According to the website Evans is already booked in together with most of the BRC Supercar regulars and several Poles. There's a big Norwegian contingent in the Supernationals including a Mercs, a Porsche and a stack of awesome S40s... looking good so far!

The super national entry looks great but im not sure about the British entries in division 1. With the exception of Evans,Hill & an improving Munday there seems to be a large number of top drivers missing, and a few who have entered will just be hoping to finish on the same lap as Hansen!.Hopefully the TBAs will be filled by more top euro guys and that we see at least a couple more competitive Brits.Whatever i will be there just to see those awesome Super Nationals again!

ebby · 9 Sep 2006, 13:21 (Ref:1705874)

McCluskey
Carnegie
Doran
Jordan

Perhaps waiting on the British Championship before entering? Will there be much room for other Europeans if these boys enter?

JAG · 9 Sep 2006, 16:46 (Ref:1705985)

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Originally Posted by ebby

McCluskey
Carnegie
Doran
Jordan

Perhaps waiting on the British Championship before entering? Will there be much room for other Europeans if these boys enter?

Any reason why they would not enter the Superprix?

Isn't a big Rallycross event with a European flavour exactly what the sport needs for the UK to make the eventual step upto an ERC round.

IMO, without a UK ERC round British rallycross is unlikely to progress much further than the level it's at now.

RXfan · 9 Sep 2006, 19:53 (Ref:1706106)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Any reason why they would not enter the Superprix?

I think you had best ask the guys from the RSS on that one..remember the politics that have hit Rallycross over the last couple of years.It maybe that they cant or dont wish to enter or it maybe that the organisers dont wish to have them...

bucko · 10 Sep 2006, 10:20 (Ref:1706509)

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Originally Posted by ebby

McCluskey
Carnegie
Doran
Jordan

Perhaps waiting on the British Championship before entering? Will there be much room for other Europeans if these boys enter?

they should all enter if things go ok and there running still after the brda round in croft , regardless of who organise what ! if they want to bring the interest back to rallycross then they should up the anti and take on what would be considered the best , i know a few have gone to europe to race and fair play to them but we need the public interest over here , beside if they wont the higher profile for them selves i think this is where it will come from. besides would be even better if they draw some competetors from europe to the brda !!!

HrRACING · 11 Sep 2006, 13:21 (Ref:1707963)

McCLuskey will be there is the car is okay after Ireland. I belive a certain 307 might be there as well.

leonidas · 12 Sep 2006, 12:31 (Ref:1708767)

My view has always been that you should support all the rallycross events you can - especially those that promote the sport to a wider European audience.

HrRACING · 12 Sep 2006, 14:11 (Ref:1708861)

Can I just confirm that I only heard on the grapevine that Dermot and Pat wern't doing it.

I know for a fact that both of these people support all the rallycross events they can, be is MSA .. RSS .. whoever!

Chessmsport · 12 Sep 2006, 14:14 (Ref:1708865)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Isn't a big Rallycross event with a European flavour exactly what the sport needs for the UK to make the eventual step upto an ERC round.

IMO, without a UK ERC round British rallycross is unlikely to progress much further than the level it's at now.

The ERC is great, by the end of the year will have been to 4 rounds, but do not miss having a 'home' event.

We do not have a FIA track so who is going to pay for one to be upgraded ? And even if we had ERC round not sure that many euro drivers would come here for a standalone event.

We have one of, if not the best domestic championships as far as Supercars go is that not enough !!!

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Originally Posted by leonidas

Politics, politics, politics... My view has always been that you should support all the rallycross events you can - especially those that promote the sport to a wider European audience.

Dont think has anything to with politics. Teams have a budget and it seems they would rather spend it the British Championship than doing an event which is shadow of its former self. Also may be they dont want to race on the same track on consecutive weekends !!

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Originally Posted by leonidas

. My view has always been that you should support all the rallycross events you can

Within your budget!!!!!

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Originally Posted by leonidas

especially those that promote the sport to a wider European audience.

Not sure the sport needs to promoted to Europeans they have the sport and seem to be doing a good job of it!!

:) RallyX · 12 Sep 2006, 15:38 (Ref:1708916)

You are absolutely right Chessmsport, The main issue why british supercar drivers do not sometimes compete in the RSS is due to budgets.. Some people do not realise how much it costs to run a supercar.

**BertMk2** · 12 Sep 2006, 18:24 (Ref:1709071)

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Originally Posted by :) RallyX

Some people do not realise how much it costs to run a supercar.

What's the saying that's always rolled out for this one? Something like "if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it"

M.Lowe · 12 Sep 2006, 19:11 (Ref:1709123)

Pat isnt doing superprix unless he changes his mind

A nice pic of a 307 WRC shell

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