New rallycross cars

M.Lowe · 7 Jul 2005, 22:49 (Ref:1349979)

Just looking at Pat Dorans Fiesta in the June issue of track and race cars mag and its made me think who will be the first to use a S1600 Corsa "clone" with 4wd in it in rallycross.

Along with Eklunds Saab and the Fabia of Larrson it makes a change to the Focus cars that are about now

chunder · 7 Jul 2005, 23:18 (Ref:1349989)

Reason is cost i think, running gear in ost of those Focuses can probably be traced back to Escort and maybe even Sierra RS500 days, certainly engines and stuff.
I think the majority of the guys still use the YB Cosworth lump dont they? And transmissions are probly updated and posher verions of stuff that was on old Div 2 cars maybe!

bigted · 7 Jul 2005, 23:21 (Ref:1349990)

It always puzzled me why more people havent used the new look s1600 cars for reshells, they look very good and very MODERN

**BertMk2** · 8 Jul 2005, 07:52 (Ref:1350150)

As chunder says it's just easier and cheaper to go down the Ford route as the engines and transmission is widely available, well proven and cheap (in relative terms).

Also the work needed to make a Focus sized car accept 4 wheel drive has been done many times, putting 4wd into a S1600 shell would take a bit more work (and cost). Having said that you'd have thought that the benefits would make the extra work worthwhile.

Cryos · 8 Jul 2005, 12:55 (Ref:1350296)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

As chunder says it's just easier and cheaper to go down the Ford route as the engines and transmission is widely available, well proven and cheap (in relative terms).

Also the work needed to make a Focus sized car accept 4 wheel drive has been done many times, putting 4wd into a S1600 shell would take a bit more work (and cost). Having said that you'd have thought that the benefits would make the extra work worthwhile.

Frontal Geomertry on S1600's is a bit more challenging if you dont have the dollars to buy the very expensive front subframes and stuff required, which is why we binned the 106 Maxi that we were building 2 years ago.

However we have and will have our New Model Polo Out for the end of 2006 there has been no problems with engine developments and bodyshells.

I personally hate the nova shape, so when we were rebuilding i was adiment that we should go for a current model corsa or the dave ward version, however stuff from a nova dosnt directly transfere into both.

Fast man · 8 Jul 2005, 14:45 (Ref:1350340)

Hello all !

I am new to this forum.

You are talking about a Corsa 4WD Turbo?
Well in Belgium there is (was) one.

Tom Geenen raced it for a few years, he is now building a new Astra. The car was very very fast on the straight but power in corners was a problem, the rear was quicker then the front from time to time...

Grtz,

Barrie · 8 Jul 2005, 15:30 (Ref:1350360)

www.rallysport.se, have a look at the rallycross section for some excellent pictures of Andreas Erikson's new Fiesta Div 1 car, very much like Doran's. Seems from the result he is right on the pace already.

M.Lowe · 8 Jul 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1350420)

It looks just as good as Pat's car that.

Cryos · 8 Jul 2005, 22:34 (Ref:1350648)

I prefere pats car but i like that spoiler. The white on that dosnt really show the features of that car, unlike pats where the white and red contrast very nicely

As seen here on one of my unreleased desktop backgrounds:

http://livewire.servehttp.com/doran1280.jpg

DCS · 16 Jul 2005, 10:57 (Ref:1356738)

Well Tom Geenen seems to be ready with a Opel Corsa C 4x4 and he will bring that to our European rounds in August. The reason why Cosworth engines are so populair is that you can buy them in any spec you want up to complete madness. The driveline on most Focus' are not the same a Escort Cosworth drivelines as they are actually very bad. Most use Quaife, X-Trac or Escort WRC. This is very easy because the engines and drivelines are all North/South... It is very expensive to develop your own 500+ bhp / 700+ Nm engine on a 45 mm restrictor and you really need to have a good engine to start with and there are so many things to conquer to reach those levels.
Also Opel Super 1600 shells are very rare this will make them expensive. And for a Ford anything can be bought (from Ford or other) like wings and body panels

gravel_monkey · 25 Jul 2005, 20:33 (Ref:1363227)

at new brighton prom rally this weekend there was a guy there who worked for nissan and he had brought a new micra but rear wheel drive with a 2.0l lotus engine in it and my god did that thing shift!!!!

Cryos · 26 Jul 2005, 08:27 (Ref:1363548)

the micra GT-R (R?) looks a savage beast someone should bring it into rallyx!

gravel_monkey · 26 Jul 2005, 13:12 (Ref:1363781)

nissan will build you one with 4x4 and an old 2.0l touring car engine from the primera's but the guy driving said this was him and a few mates from nissan motorsports idea and was just messing about to see what they could do!

Cryos · 26 Jul 2005, 13:48 (Ref:1363803)

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Originally Posted by gravel_monkey

nissan will build you one with 4x4 and an old 2.0l touring car engine from the primera's but the guy driving said this was him and a few mates from nissan motorsports idea and was just messing about to see what they could do!

Same as the lads with the Ford Transit RallyVan !

Alot of stuff started off like that

chunder · 28 Jul 2005, 20:51 (Ref:1366017)

Am surprised that the Lancer hasnt taken off more in Div1 as those of you that read any of the tuning magazines will know that the Mitsy Evo engine can develop serious power.
I guess it is all down to transmission again. I think GTech did the tranny on Oplands didnt they, so you clearly cant use the standard gear and GpA or WRC stuff might be too dear or not strong enough.
I know Eklund used to use a lot of Impreza bits oin the Saabs he had, but not sure if he does anymore.
I think van Mecehlen gets great results in a car not really designbed for rallycross.
Eklound you remember gave up on the flat 4 coz even with a twin turbo set up he couldnt get enough power!!

Fast man · 29 Jul 2005, 07:13 (Ref:1366329)

@Chunder:

The car from Van Mechelen is realy build for rallycross. The team developed the car over the last few years and he is one of the fastest rallycross drivers in Belgium. The belgian rallycross scene is at a high level.
You can take a look at the car/driver at www.vanmechelen-rallyracing.be

There is also a Lancer EVO VII doing very well in Belgium. The car is build and driven by Jan Huybs together with his brother Bart. It has 500Bhp (they say on there website) the car is looking great and very fast. You can find it at www.huybs.be (then klik on "Huybs Racing Team"

DCS · 13 Aug 2005, 17:45 (Ref:1381475)

Well Eklund could get the power, but couldn't get the reliability. But maybe it could be reliable with the 45 mm restrictor, because there is less power then...

fullcircle · 15 Aug 2005, 19:44 (Ref:1383018)

Just to clarify this. Eklund could get plenty of power its just that the subuaru engine couldnt take it. He once went through 3 engines in one weekend.

As far as Opland's car is concerned I only ever saw it relaible once in the ERC in belgium where he won, the rest of the time it was cracking blocks.

Both of these engines suffer in comparison to other rallycross division 1 blocks becuase they have relatively thin wall blocks

Fast man · 16 Aug 2005, 06:36 (Ref:1383301)

The impreza and Lancer that races in Belgium never crack!
If you look at the websites they have 500+ BHP (Impreza) and 500BHP (Lancer).
The Mitsu is more a standard car with extra BHP, the engine is on its original place.

**FIRE** · 16 Aug 2005, 16:51 (Ref:1383821)

Jos Kuypers will take part in ERC with a new Ford Focus next season. Source: www.pitstop.tv

DCS · 16 Aug 2005, 20:19 (Ref:1383996)

Yes, you can see a picture of it at VA-Engineering!

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