V8's versus AFL - 2007

[Aquarius]

Last night the penny dropped, the answer at last to that very perplexing question.

How is Channel 7 going to televise the V8 Supercars AND AFL in 2007?

The Federal Minister for Coomunication Helen Coonan has given us the answer, in her address yesterday she outlined that each free-to-air Channel can have 2 Channels.

Therein lies the answer, Footy on one Channel 7, V8's on the other Channel 7 - simple really!!!!

But how did Tony and Wayne know that in advance?

[BJAY]

I heard that Channel 7 will show one race live, then an AFL game, then the second race live, and then another AFL game.

Anyway those changes have to pass through the houses first. The Nationals may not like them.

[retro]

Ch 7 have been pushing for multi (digital) channeling for a few years now.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Aquarius

Therein lies the answer, Footy on one Channel 7, V8's on the other Channel 7 - simple really!!!!

Maybe not.........

I heard something being said on talk back radio this morning along the lines of "No they cant just broadcast a second channel or even a +2 version of their existing programming".

[retro]

***link***

Multichannelling

Commercial Free to Air Television

The Government will:

• legislate to enable commercial free to air television broadcasters to provide one standard definition (SDTV) multichannel from 1 January 2009;

• legislate to permit broadcasters to run one HDTV multichannel in advance of switchover, by removing the requirement that high definition television (HDTV) services must be a simulcast of analogue and standard definition digital television (SDTV) services from 1 January 2007;

• retain the current prohibition on full multichannelling by commercial broadcasters until the end of the simulcast period, subject to technical advances or unanticipated delays in achieving switchover, or other matters which may alter the balance in favour of an earlier adjustment;

• consider arrangements for the regulation of commercial multichannels prior to commencement.

Although the end of the simulcast period provides a natural point, from both a policy and practical perspective, for further changes to the digital television regulatory settings, the Government considers that there should be some new opportunities made available to broadcasters in the transition to a fully digital television broadcasting environment for those who wish to take up those opportunities.

While the Government recognises there are a range of views relating to the benefits and impacts of multichannelling, the availability of some new digital services will provide more variety for consumers and further contribute to digital take-up.

[stmookeyj033]

Multi-Channelling on the commercial FTA won't happen until 2009 anyway, so we have to put up with both for 2 years at least. Sales have not warranted it.

[coln72]

Ahh well, back to the good old days of 1am Tuesday morning highlights again

[Lowndesfan6]

Little birdie told me today that Mr Cochrane aint too happy because Channel 7 have come out with the fact that they will televise LIVE, any of the finals Afl games as a priority over the V8's and if so, will delay telecasts of the V8's.

More to come.

[pete55]

Originally Posted by Lowndesfan6

Little birdie told me today that Mr Cochrane aint too happy because Channel 7 have come out with the fact that they will televise LIVE, any of the finals Afl games as a priority over the V8's and if so, will delay telecasts of the V8's.

More to come.

Don't tell me Cochrane has stuffed up again.

[retro]

In the latest Modern Motor there is a HINT that we might see some night races...that's my take on it > anyone else read the feature.?

[pink_bits]

Yeah I read that too... Not sure how effective it's going to be....
Personally Im a little scared of the whole going to Channel 7, How can you give 100% to the showing of AFL and V8'S it's going to be impossible! And Poor V8's is going to loose out in the end. I personally Hate Afl and would say Give V8's more of a go but thats not what the gen public is going to want and hence we are going to loose big time to AFL!

[Lowndesfan6]

Originally Posted by Lowndesfan6

Little birdie told me today that Mr Cochrane aint too happy because Channel 7 have come out with the fact that they will televise LIVE, any of the finals Afl games as a priority over the V8's and if so, will delay telecasts of the V8's.

More to come.

In addition, Bathurst (may) not be shown in full, however either ESPN or Fox Sports will show the whole event.

I have this information second hand, so I hope it aint true.

[nivag71]

I heard a rumor that with Rounds that fill on Long Weekends that we could have Monday Races.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by pink_bits

Personally Im a little scared of the whole going to Channel 7, How can you give 100% to the showing of AFL and V8'S it's going to be impossible! And Poor V8's is going to loose out in the end. I personally Hate Afl and would say Give V8's more of a go but thats not what the gen public is going to want and hence we are going to loose big time to AFL!

A wise man said, "no man can serve two masters." I fear we are going to see this demonstrated.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Lowndesfan6

In addition, Bathurst (may) not be shown in full, however either ESPN or Fox Sports will show the whole event.

I have this information second hand, so I hope it aint true.

Be interesting if this were the case, as the AFL season is finished by Bathurst time. Maybe it will be back the old days where the telecast will go off air for an hour at lunchtime!


As for the AFL finals getting priority, wouldn't this only be a problem every second year, as 7 and 10 will be alternating the finals series coverage each year.

[retro]

Originally Posted by pink_bits

Yeah I read that too... Not sure how effective it's going to be....
Personally Im a little scared of the whole going to Channel 7, How can you give 100% to the showing of AFL and V8'S it's going to be impossible! And Poor V8's is going to loose out in the end. I personally Hate Afl and would say Give V8's more of a go but thats not what the gen public is going to want and hence we are going to loose big time to AFL!

pink bits......did you notice who the commentors were in that feature.?

[racer69]

Any hints for us who haven't read the latest Modern Motor?

[retro]

Originally Posted by racer69

Any hints for us who haven't read the latest Modern Motor?

No nothing new ...they are using in house personalities - Mathew White and Mark Baretta.

[The Hrt Kid]

no real big drama. Afl finals go for 4 weeks. At current there is a 5 week break between sandown and bathurst. They could make that work. 7 will show the race in full, as they have done so in the past.

[garbo6]

AFL Finals
Week 1: Fri Night, Sat, Sat Night, Sun
Week 2: (2 of) Fri Night, Sat, Sat Night
Week 3: (2 of) Fri Night, Sat, Sat Night
Week 4: Sat

So you wouldn't hold a round in Week 1.
Week 2 and 3 are fine if both finals are night games.
Week 4 is generally 2 weeks before Bathurst so it would be unlikely to be used anyway.

The main problem I see with the main season rounds (AFL) clashing with the V8 rounds is that currently 2 AFL matches are telecast on a Sunday. This takes up the channel from 1230pm to 5-530pm. So where does this leave space for the V8s.

[stmookeyj033]

Originally Posted by garbo6

AFL Finals
Week 1: Fri Night, Sat, Sat Night, Sun
Week 2: (2 of) Fri Night, Sat, Sat Night
Week 3: (2 of) Fri Night, Sat, Sat Night
Week 4: Sat

So you wouldn't hold a round in Week 1.
Week 2 and 3 are fine if both finals are night games.
Week 4 is generally 2 weeks before Bathurst so it would be unlikely to be used anyway.

The main problem I see with the main season rounds (AFL) clashing with the V8 rounds is that currently 2 AFL matches are telecast on a Sunday. This takes up the channel from 1230pm to 5-530pm. So where does this leave space for the V8s.

Week 2 has been Fri Night and Sat Night since 2002 (2001 it was Saturday and Sat Night, 2000 it was Fri Night and Saturday). They could theoretically play a final on Sunday in Week 2 but that hasn't been done for a number of years (since 1995 I believe). Therefore you could get Sandown on Week 2 of the AFL finals without interruption. Of course, Channel 10 will have access to finals games as well if showing qualifying is an issue......

Week 3 will be Fri Night and Sat Night unless we have a situation where a Prelim final has been played at Subiaco and the lights have been used for more than 12 times at the ground forcing an afternoon final (Council regulation). You could hold a round that weekend, however would it be too close to Bathurst?

As for during the season, don't expect V8 rounds on long weekends given that a Saturday Afternoon AFL game is generally on Pay with Ch 10 showing a game on the Monday holiday (it's happened a few times when Clipsal was on the Easter Weekend). You could hold a round on the week linked to ANZAC Day given that CH 10 does not show ANZAC Day footy (Ch 7 I assume would, instead of a 2nd Sunday Game). You could also have a round either side of the split round (generally late June) without a clash. However, if Ch 7 takes the Public Holiday games (Easter and Queens Birthday) replacing a 2nd Sunday game it could also be a go. I believe there will also be some weekends with 1 FTA Sunday game freeing up space with the other 2 on Pay.

So if you link it all with this year, weekends that could be possible for V8 Rounds during the AFL season IF WE HAD THIS PROBLEM THIS YEAR would be:

* 30 MAR-3 APR (Thursday AND Friday Night game, likely to continue if the AFL season does not begin on Easter Weekend)
* 13-17 APR (Easter Weekend, CH 7 would have to take Monday game with 2 Sunday games on Pay)
* 21-25 APR (ANZAC Weekend)
* 12-14 MAY (Mother's Day. Perhaps not the greatest weekend but Perhaps the AFL may have a game on at lunchtime and the others being on Pay at a later slot housing the V8's. I think this would have to be a 2 race weekend with 1 race on Sat and on Sun)
* 9-12 JUN (Queen's Birthday, See Easter Weekend)
* 16-25 JUN (Either Weekend given that the AFL has it's Split Round. Probably 2nd week would be easiest, which this year would have been 23-25 JUN)
* 15-17 SEP (Sandown 500 would be there this year if the bikes were in it's usual slot being the week after Bathurst. As mentioned earlier in the thread, they haven't played a Sunday Semi Final since 1995)

Other dates would be in Pre-Season (late starts or Night games) and after the season (Only conflicts with Golf which is normally at the end of the V8 season and Horse Racing, and the Horse Racing would only affect Saturday Races for 5 weeks during October/November). So there would be at least 2 rounds that I could see (1 in July, 1 in August) that would be the most difficult to schedule.

[garbo6]

Generally Horse Racing is on a Saturday or during the week so that wouldn't have much effect.
If V8s has to take a back seat to televised Golf there seriously is something wrong with this sport.

If Ch10 with showing Monday Games this is good for the V8s as they can go head to head on Ch7.
Though if Ch7 does take the Monday game it also is good for the V8s in showing that game.

The main problem will be if 7 and 10 can't get a deal with PayTV as they are then required to show all 8 AFL matches on FTA. This would then mean 3 matches have to be on Sunday, could well be split between 2 channels, but more than likely would leave Ch7 having to show 2 games.

[The Hrt Kid]

there will be at least 3 games on pay, theres no way 7/10 could afford that much for the rights otherwise.