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finishing out of points
Does anyone think there will be less finishers this year because if you finish out of the points you might aswell not finish at all and have a new engine for the next race. am i right in thinking this can happen or will the cars be checked after the race
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Technically the last car on each lap can stop to claim a DNF and keep the points. It wouldn't be in danger of being overtaken by the car behind.
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It's been discussed before, I believe. Two points:
1) what 'failed to finish' means. A Classified car finished or not the race, and 2) deliberately failing to finish the race might actually lead to some nasty situations (see Arrow's case a couple years back) |
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Technically, if you finish 90% of the racing laps, you have finished the race, so any car stopping after that point would surely be closely scrutineered to ensure that it stopped due to an engine problem. It could be a difficult grey area.
Teams are certainly taught to alwyas fight on while there is a chance of points. It's not unknown for 2 or more of the top 8 to stop during the last few laps (Monaco 1996 comes to mind), so I doubt anyone running lower than about 12th would use this tactic. In any case I don't think many teams will have regular engine problems - as a cost-cutting measure the whole idea is flawed, as the reality of last year is that the bigger teams spent more on reliability, while the smaller teams had the most expensive failures, and less chance of scoring points through atrition. Other than McLaren's poor reliability and Toyota's impressive record, the faster teams generally had the best reliability records. |
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do you think then the engines will easily last two races
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I wouldn't say 'easily'... however I'm pretty sure that we won't be seeing that many 'last lasps retirements'
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I expect that most drivers from position nine and higher, won't finish the race. That will provide them the chance of changing the enigne, without getting punished.
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Articles 85, 158, and 159 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations are as follows:
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Rule 159,if you complete more than 90% of the laps you will be classified.You will have finished the race.
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Where has this 90% figure come from? I'm sure that 'finishing' means not passing the chequered flag. I think there may be some confusion between 'classified' and 'finished' here. Classification is indeed 90% of the race distance - see rule 159 of the SPorting regs.
The FIA rules (available on their website) http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...ulations_a.pdf Rule 85 concerns the engine change between events. Quote:
Autosport cite an extreme example of this in last weeks edition: Rubens and Button could have retired in Monaco and Canada respectively and still kept the third place on the last lap. In Monaco the 6th, 7th and 8th finishers were all on different laps so could have all retired on the last lap. |
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There were two threads talking about the same thing. I've merged some of the posts. The other thread remains another Engine Regs one, but concentrates on inspecting the engine. http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66243
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This is going to be a riot! PS has already admitted he is using one race engines, and why not!
I think also that PS only needs is cars to be classified in each race ,and then later in the season when this years regs have been declared illegal, he'll be laughing. Last edited by Marbot; 3 Mar 2005 at 20:53. |
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Hopefully the occasional loophole Adam mentions will be closed - inspect the engine of each car that fails to finish the race (especially with late and unexplained failures) and onyl grant a fresh engine if the existing one isn't raceworthy.
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Half Race Retirement Rule
SpeedTV announcers just explained a rule pertaining to the retirement of M. Schumacher. They explained that if a driver retires more than half way through a race, they can install a new engine before the next race, exempt from any penelties.
Now if this is true, would it not be sensible for anyone in 9th or greater place to simply retire. There is no loss of points, as 9th place is really 1st loser, and the advantage of a new engine with a one race life would be great. The engine could be run at increased revs, for longer in practices, and just be run harder. Is this a misunderstanding of the rule, a case where the spirit of the rule will likely be followed, or a loophole that will be exploited? |
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BAR twins both pulled into pitlane b4 passing flag so they could change engines without penalty
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The FIA rules (available on their website) http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...ulations_a.pdf
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button didnt finish the race, so he could change his engine, or thats what the people on itv said
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Unless something goes wrong in the next 2 races for michael (touchwood), Ferrari could possibly debut the F2005 in San Marino.
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This rule is pretty silly...
"Your engine must last for 2 weekends, but if you destroy in the first weekend during the race, that's ok" doesn't make any sense to me |
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