Will they (TWR\HRT\HSV\TOLL) be grouped

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 07:36 (Ref:1493869)

Finally we must be at a point where these 4 cars will be grouped for testing. With Tom taking back over HRT and owning HSV this must now be a conflict of interest similar to the Bright\FPR\Britek senario. Interested to see what everyone thinks. Tega surely cant overlook this anymore.

James63 · 3 Jan 2006, 07:45 (Ref:1493872)

There won't be an issue. Their franchises are seperately owned still I believe, that is how they will get around it.

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 08:10 (Ref:1493880)

Britek and FPR's franchises are seperately owned but they are grouped because of Brights conflicting interests (ala Tom Walkinshaw) and they dont even share the same premises like HRT / Whoever they are.

James63 · 3 Jan 2006, 08:17 (Ref:1493885)

Yeah, but they are HRT / Whoever they are. Enough Said.

Guest · 3 Jan 2006, 08:19 (Ref:1493886)

Dont they test at different tracks?

peckstar · 3 Jan 2006, 08:21 (Ref:1493888)

so if britek decide to test at calder, that would get them testing days?

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 08:25 (Ref:1493890)

no teams can test at Calder as Calder isnt an approved test track. James63 whoever they are beat HRT on a regular basis in 2005 once Tom got involved mid season this is why grouping is needed to stop the unfair advantage.

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 08:26 (Ref:1493891)

P/S Peckstar that wont get them test days anyhow

peckstar · 3 Jan 2006, 08:29 (Ref:1493894)

ok well heres my idea. Britek nominate QLD as there test track. FPR nominate PI. there test tracks are in different states. so surely that proved independance.

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 08:41 (Ref:1493899)

The rules say you can only test in your home state unless you live on a border (ala BJR) anyway why would that make a difference it is more of an advantage if you tested at seperate tracks.

**GTRMagic** · 3 Jan 2006, 08:46 (Ref:1493903)

Quote:

Originally Posted by James63

There won't be an issue. Their franchises are seperately owned still I believe, that is how they will get around it.

"Owned" is a word that provides for so many assumptions.........

The 4 cars in the HRT & HSVDT squads are prepared a few feet away from each other on the same premises. Different garages, but as close as 2 garages in any pitlane you like.....

This would be the textbook case for 'grouping' if there ever was one... presuming the Kelvinmonster could actually prove the links beyond the usual Holden tapdancing...

FPR & Britek are such a threat to need grouping too

peckstar · 3 Jan 2006, 08:46 (Ref:1493904)

just trying to work out why they are grouped and the TWR teams are not. guest suggested the different test tracks made them different, so i suggested calder or winton or anywhere as an alternative

**GTRMagic** · 3 Jan 2006, 08:56 (Ref:1493908)

At least Britek can show that they operate from different premises, have a different engine supplier, are responsible for their own chassis setups and car preparations and developments.

HSVDT buy ex-HRT cars built by Dencar..... using HMS engines supplied by TWR, just like HRT.

The proximity is too close again.... the Kelvinmonster should go a-hunting....

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 08:59 (Ref:1493910)

GTR its not the point if you are a threat or not Perkins / Toll and RNR where grouped this year also for reasons i assume would be as obvious as the clayton squad. Driving past clayton recently i noticed a new building up HSV end could this be the new race workshop that has been talked about in the past if so this would seal the grouping if they actually move under the same exact roof.

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 09:01 (Ref:1493914)

GTR i agree with what you say. Now lets hope Kelvin has some sensible pills this years and opens his eyes.

**GTRMagic** · 3 Jan 2006, 09:01 (Ref:1493915)

Dont forget our HMS-supplied friends out at Dandenong either... word from the wicked has the same kind of parts and accessories and chassis arriving out that way from the same place the other two source theirs...

Curious to see if the Perkins engine deal continues also.....

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 09:06 (Ref:1493920)

I wouldnt class them as potential for grouping i think they showed they wanted to be on their own by moving to Dandenong although they do still get everything but engines from Clayton!!

ford boy · 3 Jan 2006, 09:09 (Ref:1493924)

This whole thing is an absolute joke. If FPR and Britek are grouped so should HRT / HSVDT.

Guest · 3 Jan 2006, 09:09 (Ref:1493925)

Who decides which track is a nominated test track, if they "the teams" decide to test at Calder than can they really be stopped?

**GTRMagic** · 3 Jan 2006, 09:09 (Ref:1493926)

Does everyone out at Dandenong still have an HSV email address

**GTRMagic** · 3 Jan 2006, 09:11 (Ref:1493929)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Who decides which track is a nominated test track, if they "the teams" decide to test at Calder than can they really be stopped?

The rules mention that the circuit must be a CAMS approved and accredited circuit, as the series runs under CAMS as the ASN.....

In theory a team could nominate the local supermarket carpark, but unless it has a CAMS approval, it isnt happening....

ford boy · 3 Jan 2006, 09:14 (Ref:1493931)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Who decides which track is a nominated test track, if they "the teams" decide to test at Calder than can they really be stopped?

Im sure its up to the teams where they test. I remember back when Dugal McDougall in the Pepsi Commodore tested at Calder when the car was being prepped by Perkins and Perkins tested elsewhere im sure.

WebberForWDC · 3 Jan 2006, 09:15 (Ref:1493933)

Well PWR should really build their own then.. It can't be that hard, even if they were to perhaps be about as competitive as DJR & continue for the next few years repeating strong top 15 in the championship that's not so bad at all.

So quite a case shut argument, if Britek are grouped so should HSVDT.

And having no test days for HSVDT isn't so bad, they will be allowed to freely share data at race meetings, that's got to be worth something right?

**GTRMagic** · 3 Jan 2006, 09:17 (Ref:1493936)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebberForWDC

Well PWR should really build their own then.. It can't be that hard, even if they would be about as competitive as DJR & continue for the next few years repeating strong top 15 in the championship that's not so bad at all.

So quite a case shut argument, if Britek are grouped so should HSVDT.

And having no test days for HSVDT isn't so bad, they will be allowed to freely share data at race meetings, that's got to be worth something right?

I wonder what happened to that shaker rig ArrowsF1 had for sale

countryone · 3 Jan 2006, 09:18 (Ref:1493938)

they can freely share data at race meetings now! any team can, the grouping is just for testing not race meetings

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