Schanche's Astra in CCC?

DCS · 31 Aug 2004, 11:08 (Ref:1082521)

Who can help me with a copy (pdf, jpg, or something) of the article about Schanche's Astra T16 4x4 that was in Cars & Car Conversions a few years ago...

DCS · 31 Aug 2004, 11:10 (Ref:1082523)

Who can help me with a copy (pdf, jpg, or something) of the article about Gollops T16 4x4 that was in Cars & Car Conversions a few years ago... If possbile also the 1/4th mile shoot-out later in CCC...

DCS · 31 Aug 2004, 11:13 (Ref:1082525)

Does anybody has any information on Alamaki's crash in 1990? Was he leading before the crash? Are the photo's of the car during (the crash or race) or photo's afterwards?

DCS · 31 Aug 2004, 11:14 (Ref:1082529)

Who can help me with a copy (pdf, jpg, or something) of the article about Schanche's first Escort T16 4x4 that was in Cars & Car Conversions a lot of years ago...

DCS · 31 Aug 2004, 11:16 (Ref:1082533)

Who can help me with a copies (pdf, jpg, or something) of articles about Hansen's ZX T16 4x4. Especially technical related items!~Perhaps it was in Cars & Car Conversions a few years ago...

DCS · 31 Aug 2004, 11:17 (Ref:1082534)

Who can help me with a copy (pdf, jpg, or something) of the article about Doran's RS200 that was in Cars & Car Conversions a couple of months ago...

Roundy Mooney · 31 Aug 2004, 11:22 (Ref:1082539)

dcs you could have really stuck all these on one thread ?

DCS · 31 Aug 2004, 11:26 (Ref:1082544)

I could, but now if I found one I will make a reply that I already have found this item /article, so people don't have to search anymore...

Cryos · 31 Aug 2004, 16:42 (Ref:1082866)

i belive if you email/ ring the publishers they will be able to give you proofs

Allen Mead · 31 Aug 2004, 19:32 (Ref:1083050)

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Originally posted by rxie
i belive if you email/ ring the publishers they will be able to give you proofs

If you want pukka photos from the Astra 4S photoshoot then it'll cost you £25 a pop from the publishers, I asked the photographer who took the actual pics.

If you want a copy of the orginal artical written by Peter Knivett, e-mail me, I have the orginial that he sent to CCC.

BTW it's not schanche's astra - this is:

Strictly speaking it's not Schanche's astra full stop. The germans designed the body and chassis, Schanche of X-Trax and John Welch designed the 4x4 system for it on the back a a fag packet. - Straight from the horses mouth that is the might John Welch.

Cryos · 31 Aug 2004, 20:38 (Ref:1083120)

uggg Vauxhall eeek!!!

Opel astra is much better

Allen Mead · 31 Aug 2004, 20:44 (Ref:1083126)

cheeky toe rag! donno about that, Welch's astra at it's peak was running 740bhp and over 500lb/ft only thing is, it did seem to suffer with reliabilty probs.

Matti Alamaki · 31 Aug 2004, 21:18 (Ref:1083167)

Amazing car to watch when it was on song. It's sights like it that has me hooked on Rallycross!

Cryos · 1 Sep 2004, 15:19 (Ref:1083863)

would be nice to see More Mk2's and astras out, i havent seen a Mk2 rallycross in ages!!

Allen Mead · 1 Sep 2004, 20:48 (Ref:1084153)

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Originally posted by rxie
would be nice to see More Mk2's and astras out, i havent seen a Mk2 rallycross in ages!!

Me neither, what happend to the P&O Irish ferries sponsored one????

Plus at lydden this weekend gone, Vauxcare were running one in the 2ltr modified class,

Cryos · 1 Sep 2004, 21:17 (Ref:1084188)

nice

Alot of rallycross Mk2's over here were converted to rallying and sufice to say on taking to the irish country side they mostly reshapped the country side in every meaning of it!

Mk2 escorts have gone insanely dear to buy so i guess that adds to it

Matti Alamaki · 1 Sep 2004, 22:33 (Ref:1084240)

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Originally posted by Allen Mead
Me neither, what happend to the P&O Irish ferries sponsored one????

I think your thinking of the ex Tony Bardy & Norman Beggs Astra. Beggs put all the running gear from that into a Tigra. I think this car was sold on and is now used for Autocross in Ireland.

winnie · 2 Sep 2004, 07:57 (Ref:1084474)

Clive Richardson bought the car of Bardy. It was possibly the fastest two wheel drive car i've seen. I think if Richardson was driving then it would beat the Evans Micra.

Matti Alamaki · 2 Sep 2004, 10:20 (Ref:1084594)

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Originally posted by winnie
I think if Richardson was driving then it would beat the Evans Micra.

Beggs knew how to peddle that machine also. It was one of them cars where it seemed the harder you drove it, the quicker it went.

Not sure if it either drivers would of beaten Evan's Micra. I'm sure Bardy built an even better car second time round.

Cryos · 2 Sep 2004, 16:02 (Ref:1084951)

beat the micra, just get des wheatly on the phone

winnie · 3 Sep 2004, 08:26 (Ref:1085653)

The Micra is a better car for sure, but Richardson was a different class to Evans. I saw Richardson stuff the likes of Manning, Mantel, Pease and Newbold, not from the front but normally catch and pass them as the cars was not that good of the line. Shame we can't persuade him back, just think of Richarson in the Micra - he'd be winning superfinals!

Matti Alamaki · 3 Sep 2004, 09:55 (Ref:1085709)

Quote:

Originally posted by winnie
The Micra is a better car for sure, but Richardson was a different class to Evans. I saw Richardson stuff the likes of Manning, Mantel, Pease and Newbold, not from the front but normally catch and pass them as the cars was not that good of the line.

I would agree, Evans is certainly unproven in that department.

Cryos · 3 Sep 2004, 15:24 (Ref:1086007)

fully agree.

But then again two different types of driving styles, i think its more the drivers failing than anything else.

winnie · 3 Sep 2004, 17:51 (Ref:1086166)

Rxie, please explain yourself

Cryos · 3 Sep 2004, 19:01 (Ref:1086208)

Ok ok,

Well theres two types of drivers in my opinion.

1.) The first driver relys more on the power of the car but wont push it to the full potential possibly because the car is overpowered.

2.) The second driver will use every revolution of the engine cycle to his advantage, he relys more on his gut feeling, his knowlage of the track, the limits of the car. At all times the car is pushed to the limit of what it can do.

Why have a launch control system in a 2WD ? it serves no real purpose you dont gain any extra tracklenghts (and that is a fact not pure speculation).

Driver 1 will win races in that car, but in other cars will be much less sucsesfull if the other cars are less powerfull.

Driver 2 will win races regardless of the car.

The best example i suppose of driver 2 is Eoin Murray, who has been able to win races in Stockhatch, Clio Cup and the Alfa Cup virtualy from the of each progression of the career.
other examples: Jonathan Fildes, Michael Sch., Colin Mc Rae, Juha Kankunan and Sabastian Loeb. (each having sucessfull careers in multiple cars along multiple disiplins)

Its a general consensious

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