Anglesey 25th/26th June

[foreversideways]

Just got my documents for Anglesey. What is going on . One 15 minute qualifying session on Saturday. Last time we had one 20 minute session and one 15 minute session on Sunday.

[Ian Sowman]

Yes, but I think you will find that there is a lot more to get through than last time as well. Normally with double-headers you only get one session, at the last meeting the Sunday session was more padding than anything else!

[diz]

Originally Posted by foreversideways

Just got my documents for Anglesey. What is going on . One 15 minute qualifying session on Saturday. Last time we had one 20 minute session and one 15 minute session on Sunday.

Panic not Raymondo. I'll get on the case next week.

[Redracer77]

If they have more to get through then why is the price the same........should be less

[foreversideways]

Well done Diz. North West FF trouble shooter !!

[Ian Sowman]

Originally Posted by Redracer77

If they have more to get through then why is the price the same........should be less

Or to put it another way, it should have been more for the last event as that meeting was too thin! This is more like a capacity race meeting that everyone would hope for...

[Redracer77]

what so FF1600 should subsidise the rest of the meeting then as we both had full grids...

[Ian Sowman]

FF1600 entry fees should be the same as for all other classes. It is not the fault of your fellow competitors in other series if a full grid is not obtained: it should be down to the organisers to merge grids and fill the programme to make the meeting more financially viable. Punishing competitors does nothing to increase entry levels.

[Walshy]

I think you have all overlooked the fact that the bl00dy T-Cars are at the meeting.

All hail the rich kids.........

[StephenRae]

Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

FF1600 entry fees should be the same as for all other classes. It is not the fault of your fellow competitors in other series if a full grid is not obtained: it should be down to the organisers to merge grids and fill the programme to make the meeting more financially viable. Punishing competitors does nothing to increase entry levels.

That is b0ll0cks. I am sick of watching grids sometimes in single figures droning around. The onus should be on the competitors to pay in proportion to the costs. it is up to them to get together with other formulae to increase their grids, if we don't have enough to make two races we all race together.
I have just hired a road car for one day... 3 of us using it £10 each, were I on my own £30.

[Ian Sowman]

But if you apply that, new championships would never get off the ground. Look at something like MaX5 - attracting grids in the mid-teens last year, and now 35 cars this. It is one of the success stories of 2005 so far.

The clubs run the meeting, and the onus should be on them to make the meeting viable by charging a fair entry fee to all competitors and getting as many cars on the grids as possible. Otherwise you get into a horrible, descending spiral.

And we must not forget that two of the championships that are having the poorest entry levels in the country this season are for FF1600.

[StephenRae]

I must admi that I don't know what a Max5 is...but I do remember a couple of years ago watching 4 or 5 New Fiestas 'racing' whilst on the same day XR2s and 3s were crammed together with reserves not racing. IMHO this was an effort to start a new category which would make money for those supplying the cars and kits. It seems that there is an invisible layer of promotors who are hell bent on making current formulae obsolete and putting the entire burden on the competitor.......aided and abetted by the motoring press.

[Redracer77]

Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

But if you apply that, new championships would never get off the ground. Look at something like MaX5 - attracting grids in the mid-teens last year, and now 35 cars this. It is one of the success stories of 2005 so far.

The clubs run the meeting, and the onus should be on them to make the meeting viable by charging a fair entry fee to all competitors and getting as many cars on the grids as possible. Otherwise you get into a horrible, descending spiral.

And we must not forget that two of the championships that are having the poorest entry levels in the country this season are for FF1600.

Very true point Ian but SOM doesn't seem to have the drivers due to the lack of quality circuits on the bill and MSV was put together too late and had far to many rounds, the average FF1600 driver can't commit to all those rounds the only people that have are young drivers learning circuits (Lay, Mayes and Dempsey) and Stuart Kestembaum!!!

[Ian Sowman]

Stephen - MaX5 is the championship for Mazda MX5s.

Chris - Donington not a quality circuit? And it isn't all that long ago that SoM at Mallory had reserves... It is just swings and roundabouts really. The strength of the NW championship - and it is strong with good reason - has probably drawn some cars away from it.

[Redracer77]

I love Donny & Silverstone Ian but the SOM is mainly a Mallory Championship and as Jase pointed out on your other thread it is not one of the drivers favs.....

[Ian Sowman]

Only 2 out of 22 drivers (last time I checked) said they wouldn't race there though...

[Walshy]

Answer me this one then Ian.

With infinitely more cars at Anglesey than the first round their in May, why is the entry fee the same?

With the TCars being there, I understand that they get the track time they get through some sponsorship deal that covers the cost of their inflated track time. So they cover themselves.

With all the other races on this meeting, the club stand to make a tidy profit from this, unless the last Anglesey ran at a loss, which I very much doubt.

Also, according to your previous post in this Thread of only one Qualifying at the start of the weekend, we always, always had a qualifying on each day at Anglesey. I can understand they may be limited on track time with the number of races, but with that in mind, the cost should have been adjusted accordingly.

If you went to a restaurant and order a 12oz steak and when they brought it out, they said they only had enough left for an 8oz, you wouldn't pay for the 12oz would you.......


Mmmmmmm........Steak................

Erm sorry, drifted off there for a moment..

[foreversideways]

I wonder which will be the most exciting races at Anglesey ??. Think we all know, don't we.

[Redracer77]

It is a digrace that we are expected to pay £265 for 2 x 15 minute races only one qualifying.

Why don't they put us as first race and last race on sat so we don't have to bother waiting over till Sunday for just a 15 min race.......

[Walshy]

Isn't that cake in your picture missing a zero after the five mate?????

[jminsh]

Originally Posted by Redracer77

Why don't they put us as first race and last race on sat so we don't have to bother waiting over till Sunday for just a 15 min race.......

Coz they've done that with one of the ford races on Sat and the XR'S on sunday.!!

The Southerners in the Ford's have the Sat slot !!! FIFO i say Fit In or F**k Off .Should be the same for all.2 races over 2 days.

[Walshy]

Wooooo get you!!!!!!!!

[Redracer77]

I am not sure I am that bothered with racing then. Snetterton MSV would be good fun

[JohnMiller]

You like Snett but not Mallory?

[Redracer77]

Yes, I quite like Snett