Why 32 cars in 07??

v8smoker · 26 Dec 2006, 23:44 (Ref:1799625)

I thought they were tring to get down to 30 or even 28 cars

How is larry allowed to by a license ?(the old LMS one tega brought back)

He sold his level 1 license's for a tidy sum, now gets to buy another one with out it even going to tender for everyone to get a crack at it.Old boys club.

**GTRMagic** · 26 Dec 2006, 23:51 (Ref:1799629)

Not quite...

The LMS L1 franchise licence slots were available on the 'open market' or more accurately, the existing TEGA franchise licence holders, prior to them being reclaimed by TEGA at the end of 2005.

Arguably Mr Perkins is purchasing something that was still on the market as it had never actually been sold.

If the expectation is that Mr Perkins paid his $1.5m for the ex-LMS L1 franchise licence slot, then he is outlaying what he received from the sale to WPS Racing of the Perkins Engineering L1 franchise licence slots a couple of seasons ago.

Quite why TEGA is trying to build more cars into the series as opposed to the "TC grand design" of reducing fields to 28 cars is not clear.... presumably the moaning and groaning of a small Bathurst field may have had some impact, even though there are ".. no sacred sites..."

v8smoker · 26 Dec 2006, 23:55 (Ref:1799631)

He may of got 1.5m 2yr ago but what is the current price today if you want to go out an buy one, Would ther be more buyers than sellers? could you expect to pay 2m?

cavvy · 27 Dec 2006, 00:01 (Ref:1799635)

One for GTR, is the ownership of a franchise linked directly to a shareholding in VESA Pty Ltd?

Pro Racer · 27 Dec 2006, 01:59 (Ref:1799681)

it will be good to have an even number again.

**GTRMagic** · 27 Dec 2006, 03:26 (Ref:1799697)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

One for GTR, is the ownership of a franchise linked directly to a shareholding in VESA Pty Ltd?

Each franchise licence slot receives upon purchase a number of voting rights in the management of the V8 SUPERCARS AUSTRALIA PTY LTD legal entity.

They also get a right to a certain value of franchise licence slot income as detailed in the TEGA Teams Agreement.

The voting rights also elect the board, which I presume is also the company board as well as the management committee for the legal entity.

Whether the franchise licence slot ownership also provides a shareholding of the V8 SUPERCARS AUSTRALIA PTY LTD legal entity would depend on that legal entity's constitution/memorandum and articles of association....

There dont seem to be enough ASIC statements being made for every change in shareholder to be a change in company owner.... but I could be wrong...

peckstar · 27 Dec 2006, 03:35 (Ref:1799698)

ive always wondered where 28 or 30 came from, some grand plan, that is not apart of public record and is probbaly just heresay or someone pushing their own political barrow

LMS dumped their shareholding quite late in the piece (it was around jan from memory(open to correction)) and as a result there was minimal opportunity to get an extra car, time has moved on and we are back to V8SA's ideal 32 car grid

RotorFan · 1 Jan 2007, 02:04 (Ref:1802592)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

ive always wondered where 28 or 30 came from, some grand plan, that is not apart of public record and is probbaly just heresay or someone pushing their own political barrow

LMS dumped their shareholding quite late in the piece (it was around jan from memory(open to correction)) and as a result there was minimal opportunity to get an extra car, time has moved on and we are back to V8SA's ideal 32 car grid

Its been said by someone important on PanelBeaters once last year that they want to get it down to 28. Can't remember who said it.

Senna05 · 1 Jan 2007, 02:24 (Ref:1802604)

If they want to take it down to 28, for Bathurst and Sandown, they REALLY need to take the plan back to 2001/2 and allow the top 4 or 5 development series cars to come into the fold. A field of 28 at Bathurst? you'd have 2 on the final lap and a total of 8 or 10 finishers. Rediculous.

"The slowers cars are too hard to pass and cause issues" - The 2L cars of Group C and A didn't cause that many issues, and th drivers were able to pass them with ****ty tyres, no aero and drum brakes. Why cant they pass now?

For me, 32 is a nice number. Should still be bolstered at Bathurst to maybe 35 or 36.

Pro Racer · 1 Jan 2007, 02:29 (Ref:1802606)

i think the field should be no smaller than 30, and 32 is good, 28 would be a farse especially at the enduro's.

Moose · 1 Jan 2007, 05:13 (Ref:1802626)

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Originally Posted by pwr fan

i think the field should be no smaller than 30, and 32 is good, 28 would be a farse especially at the enduro's.

Have to agree on this one... why not open Bathurst back up and let say the top 15 development series cars into the race, put the field back up to around the 45 mark... these guys are running the development series, surely they have half a chance of a decent driving performance at Bathurst.

Ezekiel · 1 Jan 2007, 05:39 (Ref:1802632)

They can fit 28 onto 2 jets, more cost efficent for the international rounds. Stuff 'em I want to see 40 cars on the grid at each round!!

Chatters · 1 Jan 2007, 05:48 (Ref:1802634)

Here here Ezekiel. I think especially for Bathurst we need to bring the grids up.

What about the Sandown 500, would it be better to have more cars there...?

woodbine · 1 Jan 2007, 06:19 (Ref:1802639)

Take the enduros out of the championship and open them up to all L3 franchise holders

Razor · 1 Jan 2007, 07:23 (Ref:1802655)

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Originally Posted by woodbine

Take the enduros out of the championship and open them up to all L3 franchise holders

Here, Here.

Pro Racer · 2 Jan 2007, 03:44 (Ref:1803147)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezekiel

They can fit 28 onto 2 jets, more cost efficent for the international rounds. Stuff 'em I want to see 40 cars on the grid at each round!!

i agree stuff the internationals, why take away our enjoyment of seeing a packed grid so they can buzz off to china, bahrain or wherever else once or twice a year just because they can't fit them all on 2 planes, V8SA make me

sometimes.

i say 32 at every round and about45 at Bathurst.

**GTRMagic** · 2 Jan 2007, 03:57 (Ref:1803151)

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Originally Posted by pwr fan

i say 32 at every round and about45 at Bathurst.

Where do you get the other 13 cars from?

In this year's main series, the BF Falcon will be the only Ford homologated for racing.. meaning a BA in the development series would need a new aero kit, and maybe some suspension tuning to make it comply with the regulations.

And you might find if the coinversion doesnt happen, that a full spec BA is quicker than an aero adjusted BF... which wouldnt look too good now would it.

There are very few teams in the development series capable of putting a car on the grid in the "big race" and also into the development series race (which counts for the championship) on the same weekend. Andrew Jones tried to do it some years ago... the car failed in the main race...

Pro Racer · 2 Jan 2007, 04:14 (Ref:1803159)

true GTR but we atleast need 30-32 cars on the grid at each round.

could we have a thing like main game teams can run a 3rd car (one of their spares) if they wanted to. so we could boost the grid atleast between 2 and 5 cars.

Chatters · 2 Jan 2007, 05:35 (Ref:1803172)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwr fan

could we have a thing like main game teams can run a 3rd car (one of their spares) if they wanted to. so we could boost the grid atleast between 2 and 5 cars.

I thought the idea of a spare was car was to be used if another car was wrecked...?

Not every team has a spare car, and those who do don't bring it in race trim to a race meeting. They only use it in a worst case scenario (perhaps others could help clarify what that means). Besides, what does a team do if one main car and their spare car is wrecked one weekend?

**GTRMagic** · 2 Jan 2007, 05:50 (Ref:1803174)

Once a chassis is entered for the meeting, its logbook verified and marked, the car scrutineered at the start of events... it cannot be switched for another car.

Therefore it makes little sense to carry around a fully functioning spare race car, unless you are worried a real race car will fall off the tailgate loader, or you might be able to sell it to someone, or like to have a 'real' car in the merchandise area instead of a mockup... or a mobile rolling spare parts bin for panels and other bits sounds like a good plan....

Senna05 · 2 Jan 2007, 08:29 (Ref:1803201)

On the contrary -

Does the cost of carrying a 3rd car around to local rounds outweigh the cost of having 1/2 a crew sit around doing nothing on race day, then also paying for the over time involved in re-building a wrecked car?

Hypothetical question to ponder. Back on track!

**GTRMagic** · 2 Jan 2007, 08:51 (Ref:1803207)

So the teams carry a 'primary' and a 'backup' chassis to each event, like ChampCar used to be?

It would mean more trucks, more spare cars.... could be interesting...

peckstar · 2 Jan 2007, 08:59 (Ref:1803217)

rick kellys pit crew would have been bored, he finished every race

murphs would ahve got a work out though

Senna05 · 2 Jan 2007, 09:46 (Ref:1803236)

Well, some teams take more than 1 truck now.

I guess it would advantage some teams. It definitely worked for Whincup at Symons. However, it was just food for thought more than a serious suggestion.

Rombles1 · 2 Jan 2007, 10:18 (Ref:1803265)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Where do you get the other 13 cars from?

In this year's main series, the BF Falcon will be the only Ford homologated for racing.. meaning a BA in the development series would need a new aero kit, and maybe some suspension tuning to make it comply with the regulations.

.....

There are very few teams in the development series capable of putting a car on the grid in the "big race" and also into the development series race (which counts for the championship) on the same weekend. Andrew Jones tried to do it some years ago... the car failed in the main race...

The easy answer to part A here, is to just let the Fujitsu series Holden's run

Sorry, couldn't resist. You know, sometimes you just HAVE to poke the bear.

Answer to part B would be to make the DS @ Bathurst non-championship, and have entry to the main 1000km race as a reward for doing well in the actual Fujitsu championship. That way you don't have to do both. Even if it was just the top 10 got to move up, that could still leave 30+ cars in the DS race, enough to make it interesting, and no car has to try to do both.

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