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28 Jul 2023, 06:56 (Ref:4170198) | #1 | |
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Belgian Grand Prix 2023: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 13 of 23
Spa-Francorchamps, is one of the highlights of the season for most. Since 1988, with some horrible anomalies when it was not run, it has been the 'back with a blast' return from the summer break. Now it sends us into the summer break in dramatic style, particularly in the form of a Grand Prix and its first Sprint.
It is one of the ultimate driver's tracks, the kind of track that makes you wonder what possessed other circuit designers when you see how fast and flowing a track can be. This track retains its original character, even if it has been shortened and made safer. It also feels like Formula 1 cars were born to run on tracks like this. Set in the Ardennes forest, the first Belgian Grand Prix here was held in 1925, since which point the track has undergone various shortenings, which have not dented the essential character of the original circuit, and the national race has been run on other tracks, particularly Zolder and Nivelles. Neither were a patch on Spa, of course, which retains its mystique for all who take it on. The original configuration was nine miles long and was in action until 1939. It started after La Source, at which point it went left at Eau Rouge and into a hairpin which returned to Raidillon. After the Kemmel straight, it curved left at Les Combes, eventually going through a long and fast right at Burenville, before the Malmedy chicane preceded the Masta Straight, itself punctuated by the Masta Kink, a super-quick left-right flick sending us to the Holowell Straight. After a right kink at Holowell, Stavelot went left and then 90 degrees right, succeeded by a straight and the rapid left and right at La Carrière. A slight right then led to Blanchimont and we have arrived back on the Spa of today. Of the seven cars to start in 1925, the sole finishers were the Alfa-Romeo P2s of race winner Antonio Ascari and runner-up Giuseppe Campari, Ascari completing the 54 laps in 6 hours 42 minutes and 57 seconds, with a fastest lap of 6:51.2 and average speed on that lap of 81.508mph. Returning five years later, with a 40-lap competition, the Belgian Grand Prix was a Bugatti-dominated affair, Louis Chiron leading home a Bugatti 1-2-3 in the T35C. In 1931, William Grover-Williams and Caberto Conelli beat the works Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 of Tazio Nuvolari and Baconin Borzacchini, while at the next race in 1933, Nuvolari, driving for Scuderia Ferrari, who normally ran Alfa Romeos, decided to try out a Maserati 8CM and won with it from the Bugatti T51s of Achille Varzi and René Dreyfus. A year on, it was the Maserati 8CM of Raymond Sommer who was beaten into 3rd place by the winning Bugatti T59 of Dreyfus and 2nd-placed Antonio Brivio, also in a T59. In 1936, the Daimler Benz team fielded 1st and 2nd-placed finishing Mercedes-Benz W25Bs of Rudolf Caracciola and Manfred von Brauchitsch, with Chiron in 3rd for Ferrari with the Alfa Romeo Tipo B. 1937 was a rather German-dominated affair, with the Auto Union Cs of Rudolf Hasse and Hans Stuck 1st and 2nd and Hermann Lang's Mercedes-Benz W125 in 3rd. Richard Seaman perished after a fire in the next race in 1939, while Lang took the spoils for Daimler-Benz in the W154, with the Auto Union D of Hasse in 2nd and von Brauchitsch's Mercedes-Benz W154 in 3rd. The Belgian Grand Prix did not resurface until post-war, when a course was laid down for sportscars in the Bois de la Cambre park in Brussels. Eugene Chaboud won in a Delahaye 135S. Spa was back in 1947, forgoing the Malmedy chicane and the Stavelot hairpin, leaving us with a super-fast circuit, La Source being the only slow section. The 1950s were partly characterised by success for Italian outfits. Juan Manuel Fangio and Giuseppe Farina each won for Alfa Romeo, while Alberto Ascari and Peter Collins triumphed for Ferrari and Fangio also topped the podium for Maserati. One obvious exception was 1956, with Fangio this time taking victory for Mercedes. In the 1960s, Jim Clark was particularly successful at Spa, taking four victories in a row starting in 1962, including a dominant display in the wet in 1963, winning by close to 5 minutes. Jackie Stewart's huge accident at the Masta Kink, also in rainy conditions, in 1966, was the inspiration for much of his campaigning for greater safety in Grand Prix racing. Eagle took their only F1 win in 1967 with Dan Gurney, while the race did not go ahead in 1969 after many teams pulled out due to a lack of safety improvements. This was the catalyst for changes, as following one more outing in 1970, which included a temporary chicane reintroduced at Malmedy, the Grand Prix left Spa and was run twice at Nivelles and Zolder (ten times) until the new, shortened Spa made a permanent return. Despite two glaring omissions in 2003 and 2006 (tobacco regulation issues and incomplete work at the track the respective reasons), the race has been run each year and for most, Spa is considered an indispensable part of the sport. Turn 1 of the contemporary track is La Source. A tricky hairpin, it opens quite wide on the exit and allows for plenty of jostling on the opening lap (and DRS Detection Zone 1 on later ones) as the drivers set themselves up for Turns 2 to 4, the Eau-Rouge – Raidillon combination. Eau Rouge is actually the brief left at the bottom of the hill before the slight right, Raidillon, which climbs to the top and goes further than the eye can see from when you are entering the curve. There is a left as the drivers go over the brow and try to tame the car, gently balancing out any danger and keeping forward motion for the Kemmel Straight. These corners are spectacular to watch in person, where the gradient becomes apparent in a way that is not always the case on television. The Kemmel Straight is the longest one and features DRS Activation Zone 1. It leads drivers to the magnificent right-left-right Les Combes complex (Turns 5 to 7). Whilst Eau Rouge and Raidillon are a pure thrill, it is these corners that begin to remind you that much of the joy of this track is in just how good the more conventional corners are. It’s a right-left chicane followed by ninety-right with a less angled entry and looks superb to drive. This is where the drivers will really be starting to enjoy the flow. Overtaking opportunities also abound into Turn 5. The drivers plunge downhill into Bruxelles, which is Turn 8. Perhaps because of the relatively short distance between Les Combes and Bruxelles, it somehow invites drivers to dare to brake late, but it’s a risky thing, easy to put a wheel off and in any event, not so easy to gather traction on the exit. A quick left takes the drivers 90 degrees through Turn 9 before they approach Pouhon (Turns 10 and 11). A relentless left-hander, this is many drivers’ favourite section. Whereas Raidillon is easier to take flat than it once was, Pouhon is more of a case of fine throttle feathering, a lift usually necessary. The track is so fun by this point that it could be difficult for drivers to want to remove any speed, instead seeking to be really fast and ready to barrel through Turn 12 and then slow it down a bit more for 13, Campus. Turn 14 is Stavelot, a right-hander which sets up the drivers for 15, the Courbe Paul-Frère. It’s crucial to carry as much as speed as possible through here, because they’re now not braking again until the final corners. The left-hand sweeper of Blanchimont (Turn 16) is followed by a slightly tighter one at 17. Hard braking is called for into the right-left Bus Stop Chicane (Turns 18 and 19), just before which there is the second DRS Detection Zone (activation is on the start-finish straight). It is easy to fumble it through here. On this modern incarnation of the circuit, in 1985, when the teams arrived for the event in June, the newly-asphalted circuit broke up in the heat in practice and the race had to be postponed until September. In 1988, the Grand Prix moved to its end-of-summer slot, usually in the final days of August. Spa was a particular stronghold of Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. Of all the records that Lewis Hamilton was gradually rewriting, his four wins at the Belgian Grand Prix put him one behind Senna's tally and two off Schumacher's leading number. Schumacher made his debut in 1991 in a Jordan, sensationally qualifying 7th, but out virtually at the start with a clutch failure, although he took the first of his 91 Grand Prix wins a year later. The 7-time world champion was embroiled in a heated argument with David Coulthard in 1998 after he had driven into the back of the McLaren driver while lapping him in very wet conditions. Coulthard had earlier spun after La Source and set off a huge pile-up which caused a red flag and a big delay. Damon Hill went on to take his final win in Formula 1 and the Jordan team's first. 2008 witnessed a dramatic denouement to the Belgian Grand Prix when Hamilton chased down Räikkönen in the closing stages in the wet and attempted a pass at the Bus Stop chicane, before running wide and cutting the corner. He handed Kimi the place on the start-finish straight before getting him into La Source and went on to the take the chequered flag first, but was later penalised for the way he returned the place and dropped behind Felipe Massa in the results, who claimed the win. Räikkönen, meanwhile, spun off. Wet weather is potentially never far away at Spa, and its location in the Ardennes hills means the precipitation can seemingly come out of nowhere, while the track length can make it present on one part of the circuit and absent on another. Red Bull is unbeaten so far and they have a clear pace advantage, but it would not take divine intervention for something to happen at Spa to disturb their winning run. There are plenty of teams chomping at the bit with good performance behind, not the least of which is McLaren, riding on the crest of a wave after two impressive performances at two very different circuits in Silverstone and Hungaroring. Trivia The race has not been held before August since 1988. Michael Schumacher has the most wins for a driver in the Belgian Grand Prix, with 6. Of the current drivers, Lewis Hamilton is closest behind, with 4, followed by Max Verstappen (2, in 2021 and 2022), and Daniel Ricciardo and Charles Leclerc (2014 and 2019, respectively). In terms of constructors, Ferrari lead the way, with 18 victories, and given their current form, maybe they are genuinely pursued by McLaren, who have 14. Red Bull has now drawn level with McLaren in terms of consecutive victories from the start of a season (11). If the team wins this weekend, it will beat McLaren's long-standing record, from 1988. The track Other information Circuit length: 7.004 km Number of laps: 44 Race distance: 308.052 km Dry weather tyre compounds: C2, C3 and C4 Race Lap Record: 1:46.286– Valtteri Bottas – Mercedes (2018) First Belgian Grand Prix: 1925 First World Championship Grand Prix: 1950 First Grand Prix on current configuration: 2007 Join in the fun with the predictions contest and Fantasy F1: https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158188 https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157755 |
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28 Jul 2023, 10:50 (Ref:4170230) | #2 | ||
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Verstappen has a 5 place penalty for Sundays race. So perhaps he will not take the lead until lap 2 this time.
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Excellent intro as ever.
I like Spa, it's a great track and I'm looking forward to the race on Sunday. However, I'm ambivalent regarding the sprint race since the format was changed. |
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28 Jul 2023, 12:56 (Ref:4170240) | #4 | ||
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For taking an extra gearbox, the fifth this season. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...rbox/10500933/ |
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28 Jul 2023, 14:17 (Ref:4170262) | #6 | |
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Fair to say that if the rain doesn't stop then qualifying this afternoon will be cancelled.
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Qualifying is going ahead but will be delayed by 10 minutes, according to the FIA caption on Sky Sports F1.
Edit: Less than 10 minutes, I had only just tuned in. |
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28 Jul 2023, 15:34 (Ref:4170277) | #8 | |
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It's a surprise to see both Williams cars out in Q1 (at least Albon's). Ricciardo got a lap deleted for track limits and is out too.
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I'm sure a lot of the drivers who were eliminated in Q1, would have liked qualifying to have started a bit later, as everyone is now switching to slicks, with 4 minutes left in Q2.
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28 Jul 2023, 15:55 (Ref:4170282) | #10 | ||
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Verstappen 10th in Q2, just scrapes in to Q3.
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28 Jul 2023, 16:23 (Ref:4170283) | #11 | ||
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That was a scintillating lap from Verstappen, however the grid penalty gives Leclerc pole, with Verstappen starting 6th.
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28 Jul 2023, 16:29 (Ref:4170285) | #12 | ||
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I have watched a lot of racing this year at Spa, and the staggering thing for me is the amount of extra stands there for one weekend, if you have not got an F1 race you are really missing out on the golden ticket, the sums these places are making are vast, colossal even. And if I was renting out bleachers I would be doubling, tripling my asking price for hire!
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28 Jul 2023, 21:28 (Ref:4170315) | #13 | ||
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And then they have to give it those sums away!
Anyway. Spa! It’s great. |
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29 Jul 2023, 09:10 (Ref:4170362) | #14 | ||
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Mr Ricciardo for top 10 in the main race..
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29 Jul 2023, 09:13 (Ref:4170363) | #15 | |
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Hope race will be better than F3 race.
12 laps of that and not even 2 race lap. |
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29 Jul 2023, 10:23 (Ref:4170375) | #16 | |
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So here we are at Spa and no surprise it's raining. Great to have Leclerc on pole, let's see if can repeat that for the sprint quali.
Verstappen with a 5 grid penalty, let's see if it makes a difference. |
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29 Jul 2023, 10:29 (Ref:4170376) | #17 | |
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They are waiting until it starts to rain again ?
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29 Jul 2023, 11:05 (Ref:4170380) | #18 | |
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"It's too early". He was right!
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29 Jul 2023, 11:16 (Ref:4170381) | #19 | |
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RTBF commentators say track is NOT declared wet for Q3 so they HAVE to put on soft slicks.
That is risk I think? |
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29 Jul 2023, 15:02 (Ref:4170416) | #20 | |
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Yes, let's delay the start until there is rain.
Seems good idea, really ... |
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29 Jul 2023, 15:09 (Ref:4170417) | #21 | |
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Should have started the race at original start time, was nice weather then.
Not first delay until 17:05 and then delay further and further. Now is no use. |
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29 Jul 2023, 15:34 (Ref:4170421) | #22 | |
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This start is going to be chaotic if everyone pits at the end of the first SC lap.
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29 Jul 2023, 15:46 (Ref:4170422) | #23 | |
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I think driver in midfield should do opposite and not pit and just wait for accident that will happen when driver goes off and then win race.
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29 Jul 2023, 15:48 (Ref:4170423) | #24 | |
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Can driver stop now, behind safety car already? Or not?
Would be on intermediate and at end of queue. |
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29 Jul 2023, 16:24 (Ref:4170428) | #25 | |
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Sainz was blocked could not leave pitbox when cars coming in so lost positions to Gasly and Hamilton, bad luck.
Leclerc same later on I think Ferari had 1 of first box I think |
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