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8 Mar 2015, 21:14 (Ref:3513061)
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2015 MX GP - Cairoli vs Villopoto...
After a slow start in Qatar by Villopoto, he hit top form in Thailand getting the overall (1-3) whilst Cairoli won heat 2.
Hopefully these 2 can stay injury free & battle it out head to head all season long... MX GP Points... Clement Desalle - 88 Antonio Cairoli - 79 Maximilian Nagl - 78 Ryan Villopoto - 70 Romain Febvre - 67 Gautier Paulin - 67 Kevin Strijbos - 55 Evgeny Bobryshev - 45 Todd Waters - 40 Shaun Simpson - 38 MX2 should be all about Herlings again  MX2 Points... Jeffrey Herlings - 100 Dylan Ferrandis - 78 Pauls Jonass - 70 Julien Lieber - 62 Valentin Guillod - 58 |
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14 Mar 2015, 16:54 (Ref:3515145)
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no question about it .. Cairoli ..
i'm yet to watch the Thailand round though 
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12 Jun 2015, 06:29 (Ref:3547843)
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Villopoto broke his coccyx bone I think & hasn't riden the past 4 GP's - will he be back is the question...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcp_wnfPHHE Ouch... |
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16 Jun 2015, 00:32 (Ref:3550975)
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Anyone catch the Italy race? That was one gnarly track.
Some of those ruts had to been 3' deep. Crazy up and down hills. Extremely entertaining! |
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17 Jun 2015, 13:22 (Ref:3551542)
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I do not think RV is even slightly interested in racing anymore, I think he had to dig deep to even try and come to Europe and its fairly clear here is not that bothered about coming back, he is burned out and really should not have tried anyway.
Let's face it, he got owned largely, by guys like Desalle, Nagl, Febvre and a few others, guys that we as fans would have expected him I think to be as good as. Shows how tough MXGP is, how very different it is to US racing in terms of tracks, conditioning nad the way you appriach the sport. I would love to see him come back next year, but the very fact he seemed to be pushing it to even want to do 2015 I think says more than anything else. I do think he will do Glen Helen though, but it sems so will Dungey, Roczen and Tomac woudl have too had he not hurt himself. |
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11 Jul 2015, 03:50 (Ref:3557452)
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And Villopoto does retire - great career, but disappointing that he couldn't complete the season in MXGP...
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11 Jul 2015, 10:14 (Ref:3557515)
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13 Jul 2015, 19:34 (Ref:3558303)
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Seems he has been spending every waking hour with Mr Stoner then eh!
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14 Jul 2015, 16:33 (Ref:3558543)
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Villopoto won everything in America...the move to Europe maybe came a little bit late although he proves he can win also in MX GP
 Hope he get well soon, and now Forza Tonino! 
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14 Jul 2015, 17:01 (Ref:3558548)
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I hope Herlings will move up to MX1 next season.
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15 Jul 2015, 09:28 (Ref:3558715)
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Apparently the option is solely with Herlings, KTM cannot move him up by way of contract.
He wants to break records and beat Everts records and is looking at MX2 as an easy way to get wins!. Arrogant and poor in my opinion but you cant fault his logic! |
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15 Jul 2015, 11:15 (Ref:3558742)
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Really?
And now its biting him on the bum - injuries cost him the championship big time in 2014 & the way this year is going, gp wins are harder & the injuries are coming again... He should have been on a 450 2 years ago! |
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15 Jul 2015, 12:08 (Ref:3558750)
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KTM doesn't want Cairoli and Herlings together in MXGP, at least not yet. Heard a rumor Everts wil take over the Suzuki team from Geboers brothers. |
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15 Jul 2015, 12:11 (Ref:3558751)
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17 Jul 2015, 22:00 (Ref:3559240)
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2 years ago he was a double MX2 World Champion - what else was there to achieve in that class?
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20 Jul 2015, 09:01 (Ref:3559681)
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Again, you don't seem to understand
He is trying to break win records and race win records, he knows the best way to do that is to say in 250. He knows he is perfectly capabale of winning on a 450 or 350, but perhaps is not confident enough of taking on Cairoli. He is in a situation where he can decide what he wants to do, his 2016 season is his to decide alone, not KTM's. He has no desire to come across to America like Roczen or Musquin, and Cairoli is not going on for ever. Motocross is a long career, and if you are as good as Herlings you are trying to win and win a lot to establish yourself as one of the best ever. If he moves up in 2016 he has another 7 or 8 years at the top level, maybe more. |
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20 Jul 2015, 10:40 (Ref:3559693)
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I totally understand what you are saying old boy... Saying that, Musquin was World Champ in 2009 on a 250 & he is still on one in 2015
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20 Jul 2015, 16:14 (Ref:3559799)
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Exactly
It is the KTM ladder type thing, they do not want two guys on the 450 team out scoring each other, maybe why Roczen felt like going to Suzuki, though I think they were going to offer him a 450 ride in 15. Certainly it is a factor with Cairoli in MXGP, de Dycker is a dev rider and always seemingly on dev bikes and this year Searle is only on a 350, the same bike Toni binned after a few rounds. |
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21 Jul 2015, 00:53 (Ref:3559911)
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Caught some race replays recently and saw this
rider have a nasty crash on a downhill. It was #461 Febvre. I started following him over the next races only to find out he is a pretty good talent. I like coming across new finds . |
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21 Jul 2015, 13:10 (Ref:3560009)
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Febvre has been amazing this year, totally overshadowed his team-mate van Horebeek wh was second past year, and it is only his first year.
MXGP is abotu survival as much as anything else, Desalle was leading, then Nagl, the Cairoli, they all have had injuries and missied races. Febvre has been quick, consistent and not hurt himself too much. But Cairloi is a multiple champ and coming back to fitness, should be interesting |
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22 Jul 2015, 10:16 (Ref:3560221)
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Just read that Cairoli is out for the next few GP's - New World Champ this year....
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21 Sep 2015, 10:44 (Ref:3575660)
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Just watched the US round of the FIM series - Josh Grant won heat 2 & finished 2nd overall behind Romain Febvre. If Dungey raced (why didnt he?), he would have smashed them which begs the question - which series is stronger, AMA or FIM?
Final MXGP Points... Romain Febvre - 735 Gautier Paulin - 592 Evgeny Bobryshev - 567 Shaun Simpson - 481 Jeremy van Horebeek - 449 Maximilian Nagl - 442 Antonio Cairoli - 432 Glenn Coldenhoff - 423 Todd Waters - 354 Clement Desalle - 331 |
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21 Sep 2015, 13:31 (Ref:3575721)
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For me , there was hardly anyone there, it was incrediably hot this weekend which begs the question why go there at this time of year, was almost as hot as Thailand which is also at a stupid time of year, middle of their damn summer.
You cannot compare. AMA tracks, bikes are different to GP bikes and tracks. If Cairoli went to race AMA outdoor he would be top 5 but not winning (remember Tomac was battering Dungey before he crashed and Dungey is usually a minute clear of 6th, the depth is not there and never has been in AMA) and would struggle with Supercross initially. RV came over, got it all wrong and quit with his tail between his legs, and I thought he was the best I had seen for years. I think in the past you could do it as Albertyn, Bayle did. But these days you have to commit to it for a couple of years. I think if Dungey came he would struggle initially but then start winning, that is what I take from RV being here. Fast yes, but not at all capable of dominating and he really struggled with how to structure his fitness and pace over a GP weekend, something you don't have to do in AMA so much. But it can be done, Roczen, Musquin are all proof of that, and the same would be true vice versa. |
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24 Sep 2015, 10:31 (Ref:3576600)
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Think i was just shocked with the speed Josh Grant showed, he was nowhere in AMA yet finished 2nd in GP - seems now he is wanted in Europe...
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6 Oct 2015, 11:05 (Ref:3579932)
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Also very very hard since everytime conditions change and a lot is based on perception which might be the wrong perception anyway. I mean look at how Nagl raced in the first half of the season, something everybody did not see coming. Just imagine last offseason he'd made the switch to AMA and take that form to the US and compete in the top. Everybody would have said ''oh Nagl didnt do anything since forever in gps, and look how he is beating guys in ama''. I guess all we can do is every now and then an EURO guy or an AMA guy will make the switch and we can enjoy it. |
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