Head: JPM's not championship material yet

z2252314 · 1 Jan 2003, 06:54 (Ref:461398)

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However, Head reckons that even if Williams are a match for Ferrari next year Montoya still has some way to go before he is able to challenge Michael Schumacher.

Head said: "Juan has enormous talent but I think he’s quite a way to go to be at a level where he could win a championship."

Taken from ITV-F1.com

Not much support here for JPM from his boss. He doesnt even say JPM is 'close' but rather 'quite a way' from becoming championship material. Im also suprised he hasnt said Juan [i]and[/] Ralf since they both have a few areas they could improve on.

Wrex · 1 Jan 2003, 07:05 (Ref:461401)

C'mon Znumbers, this is'nt even new material. This story is about 2 weeks old (and only a small part of the actual story).

As for the statement, I agree with Patric. But he is talking about a driver after his 2nd year in F1 (relative to a 5 WDC) so I dont think Juan needs to worry too much.

This smells like flame bait z and I'll be watching it closely. Hopefully Monty's fans won't rise to the bait.

Jukebox · 1 Jan 2003, 07:09 (Ref:461402)

I've got few reasons of my own to agree with what Head had said but i will not go into details as i'm very sure JPM's fans wouldn't take it as a constructive criticism

f1manoz · 1 Jan 2003, 07:29 (Ref:461412)

I agree with Head, considering that JPM will now only be entering his third season of F1 competition while TGF enters his 12th season (discounting his 5-6 races in 1991.)

And considering that Ferrari will most likely retain some sort of performance gap over the rest of the field, JPMs chances of taking the title are slim at best.

But this is old news anyway, but as it comes from numbers boy, I'm not suprised

z2252314 · 1 Jan 2003, 07:39 (Ref:461416)

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C'mon Znumbers, this is'nt even new material.

Well Sorrrry!!! I just saw the story today, and I havent seen anybody post it yet so I thought some might like to discuss. I know a lot of people would disagree with Patrick here and a lot would agree, making it a perfect topic to debate.

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This story is about 2 weeks old (and only a small part of the actual story).

I copied every word that Patrick said in the article!! Perhaps some other website has a more thorough interview, but this is all that was quoted from itv-f1. Anyway, here is the whole article....

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HEAD: JPM'S NOT READY YET
2002-12-29 18:24:00
Williams tech boss Patrick Head says that Juan Pablo Montoya is not ready to win the world title.

The Colombian made a huge impression in his debut season in Formula 1 in 2001 with a string a aggressive performances and by taking his maiden victory in the Italian Grand Prix.

But despite a string of pole positions in 2002 he failed to translate strong qualifying performances into race wins and Montoya goes into the new season knowing Williams have a huge performance disadvantage in comparison to Ferrari.

However, Head reckons that even if Williams are a match for Ferrari next year Montoya still has some way to go before he is able to challenge Michael Schumacher.

Head said: "Juan has enormous talent but I think he’s quite a way to go to be at a level where he could win a championship."

Head’s comments will bring back memories of Montoya’s clashes with Michael Schumacher in last year’s Malaysian and Brazilian Grands Prix where he came off second best

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This smells like flame bait z and I'll be watching it closely.

All i said is that I agree with Patrick's statment and expressed my suprise that he believes JPM is still 'quite a way' from becoming a champion contender. Many people here start threads with no basis or factual support. Im quoting his own team boss here, not some journo from tifosiclub.com!!

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But he is talking about a driver after his 2nd year in F1 (relative to a 5 WDC) so I dont think Juan needs to worry too much.

I disagree here, he wasnt speaking relative to Schumacher. He did not say he's 'quite a way' from getting to Michaels level but rather 'he’s quite a way to go to be at a level where he could win a championship.' Of course 2 years is not sufficent to determine how good Juan could be, but I think its enough time to be at least able to contend for the championship. JV did it in his second year.

z2252314 · 1 Jan 2003, 07:55 (Ref:461421)

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But this is old news anyway, but as it comes from numbers boy, I'm not suprised

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C'mon Znumbers, this is'nt even new material. This story is about 2 weeks old

The article is dated at 29/12 and here in sydney it is the 01/01. So three days is hardly two weeks. There is a similar article now on planet-f1.com and it is dated at 31/12.

Mark Webber · 1 Jan 2003, 08:03 (Ref:461426)

fair statement by Patrick Head because his not !

Jukebox · 1 Jan 2003, 08:24 (Ref:461429)

Z....I especially liked your two way radio comm thread between Michael and the pit together with the dissection after the Austrian 2002 GP.

Can't understand some people though...if you feel that you don't like the thread then don't bother to read or reply.

**Peter Mallett** · 1 Jan 2003, 08:50 (Ref:461439)

This is like many other "quote" threads and can be used by the pro or the anti lobby for their own uses.

Both Frank and Patrick have at some point criticised their charges. By the same token they've also praised them. They've also been used out of context in many threads.

This one is too easy for me so I'm not going to respond..................................

Bugger I have!!!

Sato san · 1 Jan 2003, 09:12 (Ref:461451)

Juke, nothing wrong with honsest constructive critisim.I think PAtrick probally has a fair point to a degree....after all , Juan has only won one race up til now in F1 ....But on the other hand i think its also fair to say that he does show a awful lot of promise that he will be able to grow and win th WDC when he has got a car capable of winning it .

Nicke · 1 Jan 2003, 09:14 (Ref:461452)

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Originally posted by Wrex
C'mon Znumbers, this is'nt even new material. This story is about 2 weeks old (and only a small part of the actual story).

As for the statement, I agree with Patric. But he is talking about a driver after his 2nd year in F1 (relative to a 5 WDC) so I dont think Juan needs to worry too much.

This smells like flame bait z and I'll be watching it closely. Hopefully Monty's fans won't rise to the bait.

Jacques only needed 2 seasons

Jukebox · 1 Jan 2003, 09:18 (Ref:461455)

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Originally posted by Sato san
Juke, nothing wrong with honsest constructive critisim.I think PAtrick probally has a fair point to a degree....after all

IMO Patrick Head was reffering to the way JPM act and thinks when he's on the race track. His driving abilities was never in question and i for one beleives he's a great driver.

Sato san · 1 Jan 2003, 09:35 (Ref:461459)

Juke.......i like your new signiture !.....your just teasing us all arnt you !

z2252314 · 1 Jan 2003, 12:44 (Ref:461511)

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His driving abilities was never in question and i for one beleives he's a great driver.

I would have thought that a great driver would be able to contend for the championship after two years in the sport. The fact that his own boss stil believe he is quite a way from contending a title makes me think he is still quite a way from being a 'great' driver.

f1manoz · 1 Jan 2003, 12:46 (Ref:461513)

I think the similarities between JPM and JV end at the 2 years in the sport. The cars they are driving are completely different, the opposition is completely different, the rules are completely different...

Damon · 1 Jan 2003, 13:03 (Ref:461516)

My god, it took Mansell 12 years to win the title and it took Senna 5!

TheGreatJuan · 1 Jan 2003, 14:15 (Ref:461531)

It is just a practical way of saying that while there is a Brawn_Byrne mobile out there is no way that Schumi will manage to lose the championship. Not even Yoong would.

Head has said in the same interview that Willis screwed it up big time in the aero department. It will be interesting to see if they can come up with a better car than the piece of **** with which Juan got 7 poles. The day they provide a car that is within a second of the Ferrari they can talk about their drivers being a WDC material or not.

z2252314 · 1 Jan 2003, 14:16 (Ref:461532)

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My god, it took Mansell 12 years to win the title and it took Senna 5!

But they at least were ready to challenge for the title long before then. Im not saying that Montoya is a dissapointment because he isnt a WDC yet, however if Williams bring out a competitive car, two years f1 experience (plus a champ car title) should be sufficient time to at least challenge for the title. Many people here say that Juan could challenge Michael in a competitive car. Its just a bit suprising that his own boss doesnt have the same confidence in his driver.

Sato san · 1 Jan 2003, 20:52 (Ref:461666)

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Originally posted by z2252314
I would have thought that a great driver would be able to contend for the championship after two years in the sport.

Z man..........get real please.......otherwise i will end up nodding off !

Sato san · 1 Jan 2003, 20:53 (Ref:461667)

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Originally posted by Sato san
Z man..........get real please.......otherwise i will end up nodding off !

The great 5 times WDC didnt win it til 94 , yet he started his F1 career with Jordan in 1991 !

Jordi · 1 Jan 2003, 22:38 (Ref:461717)

z223572756, did you run out of arguments for Jacques and now you want to start on JPM?

Tye · 2 Jan 2003, 01:05 (Ref:461760)

I have to agree with Patrick on this,however Montoya is definately a threat on any given day I think he needs to learn a little temperance in certain areas.We have witnessed over the last few years that he has more than enough fight to beat the top drivers.

With Ferrari being the team to beat now,I think Patrick Head should stop worrying about his drivers and focus on delivering a car worthy of a championship.When this happens then I think the Williams team will be able to clearly see which driver can deliver the goods.In my opinion,it is only then that Frank and Patrick will be able to see who can really handle the pressure of a championship charge.Pressure does strange things to people,and racing is no exception.

Let's hope that Williams can deliver a car worthy of a title first.

Tye

Mattracer · 2 Jan 2003, 01:35 (Ref:461771)

I reckon it's a tactic from Head to keep him coming along and not get lulled into a false sense of security by believing all the positive hype and attention his expolits have thankfully created for F1.

JPM is street smart but is still new to F1 and its publicity hysteria machine and Head could be preventing a form slump.

Mania · 2 Jan 2003, 01:57 (Ref:461774)

Surprising to read - since Montoya is pretty much Patrick's "boy". Personally, Im not too fond of the way Patrick mouths off on on his drivers - maybe Juan Pablo didnt send him a christmas card this season - cos usually Patrick is busy dissing Ralf and kissing up to Montoya.

Anyway, I hope the new Williams is upto the mark - cos otherwise Patrick wont have anyone else left to blame - but himself.

Speed · 2 Jan 2003, 03:05 (Ref:461788)

Its only Head´s opinion.
Frank thinks different.

As far as I know, this thread is over for me.

PS: GIVE HIM A WDC MATERIAL CAR !

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