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4 Aug 2005, 05:11 (Ref:1371603) | #1 | ||
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Australian GT Endurance Series (POSSIBILITIES)
It would be so cool if ther was an Australian GT Endurance Series.
Races: Mount Panorama, Bathurst**** (NSW) Adelaide Street Circuit* (SA) Bunbury International Circuit**** (WA) Hidden Valley Raceway* (NT) Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit** (VIC) Symmons Plains Raceway* (TAS) Queensland Raceway* (QLD) Sandown International Raceway*** (NSW) Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit* (VIC) Eastern Creek International Raceway** (NSW) *=3 hour race **=6 hour race ***=12 hour race ****=24 hour race Cars: Holden Monaro (Australia) Holden Commodore (Australia) Ford Falcon (Australia) Ford Mustang (US) Aston Martin Vanquish (US) Jaguar XK (US) Dodge Viper (US) Chevrolet Corvette (US) Honda NSX (Japan) Honda S2000 (Japan) Toyota Supra (Japan) Toyota Celica (Japan) Nissan Skyline (Japan) Nissan 350 Z (Japan) Mazda RX7 (Japan) Mazda RX8 (Japan) Ferrari 360 (Italy) Ferrari 550 (Italy) Porsche 911 (Germany) Audi A8 (Germany?) Porsche Carrera GT (Germany) BMW M5 (Germany) Lotus Sport Exige (UK?) |
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Don't encourage him, please.
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4 Aug 2005, 07:36 (Ref:1371673) | #3 | ||
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Commodore's and Falcon's are not Grand Touring cars.
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4 Aug 2005, 09:47 (Ref:1371751) | #4 | ||
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How about we get a successful GT sprint series in place first before we get delusions of granduer?
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4 Aug 2005, 12:43 (Ref:1371895) | #5 | ||
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I think a sprint series isn't necessarily what the GT car owners want.
I think short enduro's are the go... like Brit GT..... 1 hour races, no refuelling, driver swap. Categorise drivers into A and B grades (and C?), and handicap driver change stops according to driver pairing... ie B+B... straight swap. A+B.... swap and wait X seconds, A+A.... swap and wait XX seconds (with mods for C drivers if nec) Works well in UK. Very easy and releveant to just copy it here. And absolutely no 4 seater or 2+2 derived cars allowed in GT2/3 class. |
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4 Aug 2005, 12:56 (Ref:1371910) | #6 | ||
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Yes I agree, I think the championship will have more success in attracting cars and drivers by introducing longer races.
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Check out the bathurst 24 hour thread. MPAC envisages a Sports and GT endurance series in the future, longer distance races at selected circuits leading to the B24.
Very eventually you have the Asia Pacific Endurance Championship with races in Aus, NZ, China, Japan, Malaysia. BTW why do these sorts of threads always get posted in Touring Cars instead of Sportscars>???? |
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4 Aug 2005, 13:42 (Ref:1371950) | #8 | ||
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Because this is Australian Touring cars, and to my mind a Sportscar is a prototype...
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that's a very constrained view of a sports car, which is in fact a sporting vehicle, predominantly having two doors and two seats but sometimes with an occassional rear seat and a roof, when it is then refered to as a GT, which means that endurance racing of this type, which is for sports cars and GT cars, belongs in the sportscars> section not Australian&NZ Touring Cars.
by your definition a Mazda Mx-5 is a prototype!!! i don't think so. BTW the title of this thread is Australian GT Endurance Series, couldn't think of anything that more indicates it should be in Sportscars>! |
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4 Aug 2005, 15:12 (Ref:1372021) | #10 | ||
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djt: because Australian race fans post here rather than individual fora, heck there was a rally question here the other day.
FFS & DRT: what I meant was take baby steps before leaping in forecasting 24 hour events on circuits just as fictional as the championship suggested. |
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4 Aug 2005, 22:17 (Ref:1372375) | #11 | ||
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As you can well see I too am in Australia and i would head straight for the sportscar> section if that's what i wanted to discuss, perhaps a little too logical for the SuperTaxis brigade who inhabit the Touring Car section.
The only circuit that is 'fictional ' is Bunbury, an endurance championship, perhaps a little less ambitious than the one suggested above is a lot more feasible and appealing overall than a squabbling bunch of owners trying to run a SportsGT series. Look at the experience in UK, etc |
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Hey mabs, go get yourself a copy of Grand Turismo 4
And sorry bro, Sandown is in Vic, not NSW! Cool ideas none the less.... |
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5 Aug 2005, 01:08 (Ref:1372480) | #13 | ||
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a 6 hour racee at albert park will never happen.
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exactly right, what's the point of debating such minutae, the concept is good and that's what deserves to be talked about.
truth is half the race venues proposed would never happen but you could put together a good series from the suggestion above. |
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Ive been reading this thread with interest, heres my 2 cents. It would be a very good thing IMO to see a Australian GT championship, it was a big blow losing Nations cup. What is needed is a series similar to what we have here in GB IMO, that is a GT series consisting of GT2 and GT3 entries, and a Formula 3 support series to support the GT's. A porsche carerra cup or something along those lines would make a nice addition too. IMO.
What is essential however is that if a Australian GT championship does go ahead is that the series joins the rest of the world and adopts FIA/ACO regulations for GT2 and GT3 class cars, therefore they would be eligable for overseas rounds such as the Spa 24hrs for example, and teams from Europe and America could come over to Australia and race without too much hassle of having to change the cars....Im thinking of the Bathurst 24hrs in particular which may see teams from Europe and America making the long haul. Will be interesting to see what happens, if anything. Would be nice though to have a Australian series IMO. Sportscar racing is slowly becomng more and more global at the moment and I dont see why Australia shoudnt be part of that. |
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Saleen, Couldn't agree more. I know you've looked at the other threads on the B24 race and if you've looked at the MPAC Ltd press release on that event you would see that we are talking your language.
Sports Cars /GT are going to come right back, it's a spin off of the disaffection with F1, etc - Australia needs ot be part of it. Regs must be built around the international standard for the reasons you've stated. It's not rocket science it's just common sense. Seems to be an attitude down here that we a re too small to do this or that and as a result we need to start fiddling with rules and the like. Stick with the internationally recognised rules and you will succeed - at least that's our philosophy! A B24 to the right regs will happen. we just need some less adventurous people to make a few decisions, instead of sitting on their hands! |
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Id love to see a set Format.
6 hour races at every venue. |
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I am just thinking out aloud here, but if B24 becomes a round of the FIA GT Championship (same arrangement as the Spa 24hrs), with Group 2 and GT3 cars allowed in, then will that help the creation of the Australian GT series?
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FIA GT want Phillip Island, not Bathurst.
And why do we need to create a GT series when, errr.... we have an Australian GT Championship? Points after Round 3 of 6 1st Peter Hackett (Lamborghini Diablo GTR) 310 pts 2nd Bryce Washington (Porsche 996 Carrera Cup '02) 261 pts 3rd John Teulan (Ferrari 360 Challenge) 219 pts 4th Claude Giorgi (Porsche 996 GT3) 210 pts 5th Ian Palmer (Honda NSX Brabham) 199 pts 6th Ted Huglin (Ferrari 360 GT) 154 pts 7th Neil Bryson (Ferrari 360 Challenge) 134 pts 8th Dean Savage (Ferrari 360 Challenge) 89 pts 9th Mark Eddy (Porsche 996 GT3-R) 78 pts 10th Rusty French (Lamborghini Diablo GTR) 55 pts http://www.porschedriverschallenge.com.au/ |
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That's getting fields as big as anything PROCAR did. More cars coming all the time, too.
I think a move to the longer races next year will really set it off. |
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It would be cool if there were 30-35 cars on track instead of just 20 and there should be longer races. And there should be more that 1 NSX. |
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As mentioned previously - Honda have spent less on the Australian car racing community than every other car maker on the market, including Daewoo and Daihatsu. That don't deserve your support.
Support the manufacturers that support YOUR sport. But that's just me |
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I'm with Falcadore. I also enjoy their cars but they have had no involvement nor have they ever even tried to have an involvement in local motorsport.
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