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Old 23 Mar 2004, 19:40 (Ref:916961)   #1
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Check out a very interesting article on DSC regarding the new Audi.

We already know about the NASAMAX Judd using alternative fuel and the Judd V10 diesal. Are there any more alterantive powered cars in the pipeline.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, alternative powered cars are the future for LM, particularly in the LMP classes. Were else is there a better test bed, and such freedom in the regs than LM for these new types of engines.
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Check out a very interesting article on DSC regarding the new Audi.
Arghhh, you make me curious....
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Old 23 Mar 2004, 20:15 (Ref:917015)   #3
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what judd diesal?
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Old 23 Mar 2004, 20:19 (Ref:917024)   #5
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I know. Maybe I´ll do it one day....

Let me guess: will they use a fuel cell?
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Old 23 Mar 2004, 20:26 (Ref:917039)   #6
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what judd diesal?
Based on there V10. They are looking for manufactuer backing.
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I know. Maybe I´ll do it one day....

Let me guess: will they use a fuel cell?
Thats Honda territory.
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Based on there V10. They are looking for manufactuer backing.
A Ricardo V10 Judd diesel in the back of an Audi? Altough I know they do supply the drivetrain/gearbox of the R8 I do not understand this strategy - if it is true of course. Recently I had a mail conversation with the people of Ricardo and it seems that they are to only one with a race diesel today. Altough Audi may have developed one and Cosworth too - but seem to have stopped development. Who owns Cosworth anyway? Audi?
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Okay, okay, okay, second guess... solar power?
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cosworth is under fords wing though will do anything for anyone if the moneys right.
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Old 23 Mar 2004, 22:13 (Ref:917135)   #11
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i dont want diesels being the engines of top class sportcars racing!!
sorry but its not as emotive as say: a ferrari v12 PETROL!!!!
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A Ricardo V10 Judd diesel in the back of an Audi? Altough I know they do supply the drivetrain/gearbox of the R8 I do not understand this strategy - if it is true of course. Recently I had a mail conversation with the people of Ricardo and it seems that they are to only one with a race diesel today. Altough Audi may have developed one and Cosworth too - but seem to have stopped development. Who owns Cosworth anyway? Audi?
The Judd V10 is a seperate project to Audi as far as I am aware.

As for diesals at LM, can't wait myself. They will sound very different to our average road car, as every competition engine does.
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Okay, okay, okay, second guess... solar power?
Imagine the solar panel one could get on top of a Daytona Prototype!
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Oh great, somehow they would become even slower and less attractive.

Changing back to topic, I figure any diesel that would be able to run with the Audi, Judd or Elan engines would have to put out one heck of an interesting sound! Bring them on! Seriously, maybe that is what gets the manufactures off the fence and involved, and new challenge to justify developement costs. Bring them on!
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Oh great, somehow they would become even slower and less attractive.

Changing back to topic, I figure any diesel that would be able to run with the Audi, Judd or Elan engines would have to put out one heck of an interesting sound! Bring them on! Seriously, maybe that is what gets the manufactures off the fence and involved, and new challenge to justify developement costs. Bring them on!
Exactly. After many years of promises it now seems manufactuers are genuinly interested in alternative fuels/power sources. The ACO have certainly been encouraging manufactuers with favourable regs.

What better way to convince a sceptical public.
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Peugeot is also studying for an official (with a Diesel engine) return to Le Mans...
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I think encouraging alternative fuel development is one good way that LeMans could attract more manufacturers back and especially to the prototype classes. So I am all for it.
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they must make an interesting sound and you would still get the off throtttle turbo gobble with a turbo even if its a diesel! but i cant help wondering that it wouldnt sound as good as say a petrol judd gv4 v10! anyway maybe in a few years we will be able to make our minds up for ourselves. it certainly would make the lmp1 class more competitive again! and alot more interesting! anyway heres a pic. of the Judd/Ricardo turbo diesel v10.
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it certainly looks good enough! whether it will sound good enough is a different question!
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And now there's another one! Where are all these Diesels coming from all of a sudden!!
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From the photo above, it would appear that the engine has a DOHC configuration. Any production diesels set up that way?
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Is there a fuel efficiency benefit when a diesel is modified to run as a race engine? Will this help or hurt a diesel running over a 24 hour race?
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Yes there is a fuel efficiency benefit - the amount in race conditions is yet to be proven - this is the trade off for a heavier base engine.
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