Freedom of Speech in Oz Motorsport

ff s conscience · 1 Jul 2007, 00:03 (Ref:1950915)

ok, so with news that "maybe" the V8 drivers will be allowed to talk a little more openly.. and also prompted by some mumblings overheard from one of the cubicles in the furthest corner of the powder room...

what, exactly, is "bringing the sport into disrepute"?

if a couple of possibly intoxicated deputys down in the Cowboys And Maverick Society saloon bar, take offence to hearing about factual happenings on their side of town... what should they do about the lone ranger that reports said happenings?

Is "reporting" the disrepute... disreputable in itself.. or is the action that is reported the disreputable act..

is "Bringing" the key word here....? and is "Causing" the more serious offence that mostly goes un checked..?

hmmmm... yee haa!

1200Datto27 · 1 Jul 2007, 00:28 (Ref:1950918)

It's not like the drivers/team owners are going to night clubs and getting drunk and disorderly, doing drugs and running from the cops, bashing up people for no reason, associating with known criminals or sleeping with each others girlfriends/wifes...

I think that the "BTSID" charge has been one of the most overused/abused charges, and is used also as a bit of a catch-all charge to penalise drivers (like Lowndes being done for swearing on air during a telecast, trouble there was that it wasn't going out live, Ten chose to air it, so who actually was guilty?)

Get rid of the charge, or start applying it to themselves for their poor efforts.

stmorri · 1 Jul 2007, 00:57 (Ref:1950925)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

It's not like the drivers/team owners are going to night clubs and getting drunk and disorderly, doing drugs and running from the cops, bashing up people for no reason, associating with known criminals or sleeping with each others girlfriends/wifes...

I think that the "BTSID" charge has been one of the most overused/abused charges, and is used also as a bit of a catch-all charge to penalise drivers (like Lowndes being done for swearing on air during a telecast, trouble there was that it wasn't going out live, Ten chose to air it, so who actually was guilty?)

Get rid of the charge, or start applying it to themselves for their poor efforts.

"Poor efforts" is an understatement. Failure to black flag a couple of drivers in recent rounds for blatant breeches of the rules has left the officials responsble and VESA with a serious lack of credibility and that BTSID!

dmcl · 1 Jul 2007, 01:07 (Ref:1950930)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

It's not like the drivers/team owners are going to night clubs and getting drunk and disorderly, doing drugs and running from the cops, bashing up people for no reason, associating with known criminals or sleeping with each others girlfriends/wifes...

Nicely said datto, those sort of things are the realm of AFL & NRL football teams (think didak, carey, canterbury

) and perhaps the rule has been used to the detriment of the sport in the past.

Oldtony · 1 Jul 2007, 01:21 (Ref:1950932)

, associating with known criminals or sleeping with each others girlfriends/wifes...

Have they stopped? No wonder Wayne thinks the sport is getting boring

Seriously though "Ronspeak" is making F1 drivers boring, and the same was happening to the Taxi drivers.

ff s conscience · 1 Jul 2007, 01:28 (Ref:1950933)

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Originally Posted by stmorri

"Poor efforts" is an understatement. Failure to black flag a couple of drivers in recent rounds for blatant breeches of the rules has left the officials responsble and VESA with a serious lack of credibility and that BTSID!

Mistakes are excusable... we all make them...

it's how we recover from them that determine our "repute"...

covering them up and throwing BTSID threats/charges around is perhaps not a "reputable" way to deal with them...

first of all... fix the mistake... then, be accountable for it.

pete55 · 1 Jul 2007, 02:45 (Ref:1950940)

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Originally Posted by ff s conscience

first of all... fix the mistake... then, be accountable for it.

Have you ever known anybody in sports management to be accountable for their mistakes, no matter whether it is football or motorsport.

1200Datto27 · 1 Jul 2007, 06:04 (Ref:1950960)

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Originally Posted by stmorri

"Poor efforts" is an understatement.

I just didn't want to be called before a cams enquiry for bringing the sport into disrepute...

ff s conscience · 1 Jul 2007, 08:42 (Ref:1950995)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

I just didn't want to be called before a cams enquiry for bringing the sport into disrepute...

ah, but it's not you that's "bringing" the disrepute is it?

You're just reminding/informing us of THEIR disrepute...

The Em · 1 Jul 2007, 10:30 (Ref:1951071)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

It's not like the drivers/team owners are going to night clubs and getting drunk and disorderly, doing drugs and running from the cops, bashing up people for no reason, associating with known criminals or sleeping with each others girlfriends/wifes...

Do they actually drug test in V8 Supercars? Cos I have some suspicions about Rick Kelly...

ff s conscience · 1 Jul 2007, 10:44 (Ref:1951083)

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Originally Posted by The Em

Do they actually drug test in V8 Supercars? Cos I have some suspicions about Rick Kelly...

I reckon his mum gives him "Calpol for kids" before his story and bedtime...

if that's what you mean?

Pro Racer · 1 Jul 2007, 10:49 (Ref:1951085)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

It's not like the drivers/team owners are going to night clubs and getting drunk and disorderly, doing drugs and running from the cops, bashing up people for no reason, associating with known criminals or sleeping with each others girlfriends/wifes...

I think that the "BTSID" charge has been one of the most overused/abused charges, and is used also as a bit of a catch-all charge to penalise drivers (like Lowndes being done for swearing on air during a telecast, trouble there was that it wasn't going out live, Ten chose to air it, so who actually was guilty?)

Get rid of the charge, or start applying it to themselves for their poor efforts.

ditto, just imagine if Willie Mason (my favourite player) was a V8 driver with the free speach rules, would definatly be some contraversy.

funny how Murph is my fav V8 driver and Mase is my fav Footy player, certainly some similarities there when it comes to talking, say whats on your mind, for some reason i like people who tell it like it is.

that last point you made is exactly right.

PVDA · 1 Jul 2007, 22:12 (Ref:1951865)

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Originally Posted by The Em

Do they actually drug test in V8 Supercars?

Yes they do.

CAMS & VE$A are part of the Drugs in Sport thing here in Australia and I know several drivers got tested at Sandown last year.

As for your allegation, I to have suspicions about several people who post on here

PVDA · 1 Jul 2007, 22:29 (Ref:1951880)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

I just didn't want to be called before a cams enquiry for bringing the sport into disrepute...

It's alright Datto you can always race at AASA events if CAMS throw you out but if they did that to everyone no one would be left racing under the CAMS umbrella

RotorFan · 1 Jul 2007, 22:59 (Ref:1951899)

I think its good to let the drivers speak their (intelligent) minds, but the carry-on at HV was a bit Mickey Mouse. I think they were just having a go for the sake of it. I was as shocked as Davison really.

mjt57 · 2 Jul 2007, 00:42 (Ref:1951929)

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Originally Posted by PVDA

As for your allegation, I to have suspicions about several people who post on here

He didn't make any allegations. Here merely said that he is suspicious of Rick Kelly.

Of course, there's the issue of an inference to drug use being made, but that's another matter...

Pro Racer · 2 Jul 2007, 03:55 (Ref:1951965)

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Originally Posted by PVDA

Yes they do.

CAMS & VE$A are part of the Drugs in Sport thing here in Australia and I know several drivers got tested at Sandown last year.

As for your allegation, I to have suspicions about several people who post on here

who might they happen to be?

fomoco · 2 Jul 2007, 09:10 (Ref:1952084)

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Originally Posted by pete55

Have you ever known anybody in sports management to be accountable for their mistakes, no matter whether it is football or motorsport.

No Pete, they normaly get promoted or given a interstate mangers role.

You can't charge the rulemakers

Pro Racer · 2 Jul 2007, 10:41 (Ref:1952154)

sometimes you wish you could charge them.

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