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10 Jan 2005, 17:04 (Ref:1197402)
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Some teams are in for a shock!
At last F1 cars are testing again this week...at Jerez it seems that some teams are still running the old high downforce 2004 spec wings! Hahaha...Boy are those teams in for a shock! Hahahaha
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10 Jan 2005, 17:05 (Ref:1197404)
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Surely they'll have their reasons?
Maybe they've made other modifications and are trying to separate out the effects of various components? |
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10 Jan 2005, 17:14 (Ref:1197415)
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They could simply just be doing electronics or engine component testings...and the aerodynamic package doesn't really affect the effectiveness of testing those parts
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10 Jan 2005, 17:34 (Ref:1197431)
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Given that BAR and Williams are the only teams at Jerez today, it's clear who Rennen is referring to....
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10 Jan 2005, 18:01 (Ref:1197440)
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Yeah, if it is just electronics (or something similar) then they don't want an unsorted chassis to effect things. I am sure both of these teams have run 2004 cars to 2005 spec to get an idea of the changes already (correct me if I am wrong) and neither have the 2005 car ready for the track too.
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10 Jan 2005, 18:06 (Ref:1197445)
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Or possible a certain team thinks they'll be up to 04 levels of grip by Melbourne!...Don't think so!
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10 Jan 2005, 18:15 (Ref:1197454)
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I don't think teams would start scraping or dumping their 2004 cars. Most teams do not have a running 2005 car ready, and hence, cannot run 2005 cars. Furthermore, to run testings and change every single component of it would make evaluation of parts a difficult task. An improvement or problem cannot be pin-pointed to whether which part contributed to it,
Running a car with setups they are familar with may give them better feedback, or they may simply decide that giving a 2004 car with 2005-spec wings isn't going to be more helpful/useful than running 2004 cars. |
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10 Jan 2005, 18:16 (Ref:1197455)
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It could also be some teams don't make hybrids of there previous seasons cars for testing and might only run the 2005 spec wings when they get the 2005 cars to play with!...which hasn't been launched yet so just a thought!
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10 Jan 2005, 18:29 (Ref:1197463)
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I'm no engineer but maybe Williams think it best to test the 2005 aero package only on their completed 2005 car, so as to ensure any mods or fixes are applicable to the car which starts the season. Hybrid cars may end up leading teams down a blind alley. Just a thought.
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10 Jan 2005, 18:37 (Ref:1197475)
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Williams running the 2004 car is interesting. If they had built a 2005 hybrid car (based on the 2004 car) then it might have meant that the testing debut of the definitive 2005 car would have ben delayed by a week or two. The choices can only really be compared with the outcome for the same team.
BAR on the other hand may have been in a situation where the 2005 wouldn't have been delayed (another factor was dictating the build time) so for them it made sense to get it out. My guess is that considering everything it is likely that both teams have made the right choice! |
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10 Jan 2005, 18:42 (Ref:1197479)
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Interesting to read Mike Gascoyne's comments at the Toyota launch that the car would look different again when it lines up on the grid in Australia - in his words 'a lot of what you see on the car will be scrap by then'.
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10 Jan 2005, 19:58 (Ref:1197547)
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I just got pictures from Vallelunga where Ferrari were today. There is no difference in the aerodynamics from October and today's shots.
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10 Jan 2005, 20:25 (Ref:1197565)
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This is a non-issue. Teams are best to adjust to the new rules one step at a time - that way, they know for sure that they are making each change as well as they can. Until the definitive 2005 cars are ready, it is best not to introduce every neccessary chance, especially when the 2004-aero package is working well and would be a good stable base to test changes to the engine and electronics.
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10 Jan 2005, 20:29 (Ref:1197570)
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i'd have thought that ferrari would be using this years aero rules though, seeing as they are using the f2004 at the start of the year.
but it is still early yet. |
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10 Jan 2005, 21:14 (Ref:1197607)
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They are so lucky to have Rennen close by telling them what they're doing wrong! Williams..amateurs...they are soooo embarassing!!! |
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10 Jan 2005, 22:00 (Ref:1197646)
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Good job Ant didn't get stuck with such an incompetant team, I guess....
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10 Jan 2005, 22:23 (Ref:1197662)
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11 Jan 2005, 01:31 (Ref:1197771)
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Who are we to question testing methods anyone here ever designed an F1 car?
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11 Jan 2005, 05:05 (Ref:1197840)
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11 Jan 2005, 09:06 (Ref:1197901)
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It's interesting however to contrast the approach from the two teams. BAR have run hybrid/2005 focused parts since the first post season test, whereas most teams have run 2004 cars with selected mod's - this doesn't make either method right or wrong, but shows the different approach from Willis who is rapidly becoming F1's leading designer.
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11 Jan 2005, 10:09 (Ref:1197946)
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Looking at the pictures, I think I'm right in saying that the BAR has 2005 rear but 2004 front - so one could just as easily criticise that approach for using mixed hardware and leading them in the wrong direction. Presumably they take a bit of front wing out to match the downforce of the 2005 rear, but there again Williams most likely are simply cutting a bit of wing off both ends for the same reason.
I wouldn't hold your breath watiing for williams to have another bad year, Rennen. They will be back. |
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11 Jan 2005, 10:26 (Ref:1197955)
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Rennen I have a question for you. Actually, I am just interested in your insider view. What do you think who is better, Heidfeld of Pizza??
Other than that I hope your "boy" gets the chance quickly. In Hungary he is considered very fast, among the fastest by the media so he has quite a large number of fans here. |
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11 Jan 2005, 11:20 (Ref:1197995)
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Actually, if you look at the picks of the Ferrari, the front wing is higher now than it was, and the same on the BAR. It's hard to tell from the Vallelunga pics whether Ferrari are running an '05 spec rear wing, but pre-Christmas Autosport were saying that Ferrari are the only team running in full '05 spec. That surprised me as the BAR Concept Car (known as the 067 by that bible, F1 Racing mag) certainly looks like it's running in 05 spec, and it seems odd that there are parts of it still in '04 spec...
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11 Jan 2005, 12:59 (Ref:1198053)
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Maybe Williams are using the 2004 car to judge Heidfeld more? Although if I was Williams I would stick him on the 2005 thing already and see what he's like on that. But what am I on about?
Regarding Williams I am concerned for them, I think the two helmsmen HAVE gone mad and Sam Michael is nothing more than a stubborn pseudo-mute with a tongue like a pirate. Webber is an unknown really who can qualify but has shown little in actual races. Pizzonia has issues nowadays and Heidfeld IS a mute. Come back "Red Foive". |
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11 Jan 2005, 15:30 (Ref:1198189)
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Im sorry but Williams really didn't do a great job last year, they DON'T know everything, and could well be making a mistake assuming they will be up to 04 grip levels by Melbourne. BAR used a hybrid 03/04 car last year and you have to admit that approach worked pretty well for them! |
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