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Old 19 Nov 2002, 15:13 (Ref:432260)   #1
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Barnard and Williams have composite gearbox!
Gazzetta dello Sport is reporting John Barnard has been working closely with Williams, developing a miniature (and very light) gearbox made from composite materials that would allow them to run a very sleek (F2002 style) rear end on their car next year. The plan is to introduce it mid-season...

Hopefully, this will be the innovation that allows Schummi Jr. and Juan Pablo to challenge the F2003!

Fingers crossed....
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Old 19 Nov 2002, 15:17 (Ref:432264)   #2
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Indeed - fingers crossed. But by then TGF might be leading the championship by 50 points...
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Old 19 Nov 2002, 15:19 (Ref:432266)   #3
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So, after achieving their legendary reliability using a traditional approach, Williams takes one step further....
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Old 19 Nov 2002, 15:32 (Ref:432277)   #4
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Way to go.

Introduction mid-season - not way to go! By mid 2003 Ferrari will be at the next level. Still, here's hoping.

Aren't McLaren bringing in something similar? Hope so.

These two teams have got to get very, very radical - and soon. It's one hell of a job just to get up to F2002 level - add in the reliability and you can see what a challenge they face. It would probably take a full year just to make the 2002 cars as reliable as the 2002 Ferrari. How depressing.
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Mid-season ?

Poor Williams. This time they'll finish in 3rd place in the WCC.
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Old 19 Nov 2002, 17:32 (Ref:432393)   #6
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I believe the report of mid-2003 season was speculation, seeing as such a revolutionary gearbox is sure to have reliability concerns. Who knows, they might have it ready on time?!
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Didn't Prost run a composite gearbox in the early years?
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Uh, oh... and where it all ended ?
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Barnard!
Haven't heard that name for ages.
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Didn't Prost run a composite gearbox in the early years?
yup, and I believe Barnard had a similar toy at Arrows.
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Old 20 Nov 2002, 16:00 (Ref:433262)   #11
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Nothing against the other teams (I like Arrows!) but I'm sure Williams stand a much better chance of getting it to work than the previously mensioned teams.
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ferrari have very clever transmission on the F2003 revolutionary in fact.
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Barnard!
Haven't heard that name for ages
The last thing I remember of him is the $hitbox he designed for Michael and Eddie in 96. Apparently Michael was really dissapointed, since Barnard had a very good reputation (he was the Newey of the 80's). Michael helped lure Byrne and Brawn the following year and that was the last I heard of him.
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He's only good at designing cars isn't he? How would he be responsible in developing a gearbox for williams? although he was the one who introduced the semi-auto gearbox in f1....
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He's only good at designing cars isn't he?
A great designer is a great designer. If the guy can get his head around the concept of a whole car a gearbox should be fairly straightforward. Added to which, much of the reason for having new, miniaturised, transmission is to maximise other features of the car design as a whole - such as weight distribution, aerodynamic efficiency, ease of maintenance, reliability...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the main problem in the past one of flexing?
If I remember right it created problems not only with cracking and the like but it affected shifting...Perhaps they have newer composites that have more rigidity?
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He's only good at designing cars isn't he? How would he be responsible in developing a gearbox for williams? although he was the one who introduced the semi-auto gearbox in f1....
Right, he not only introduced it, but was the head designer of that semi-auto gearbox. B3, his company (he bought out the Ferrari 'branch' they had set up for him in England), has done consulting for Arrows, Prost, and now Williams.
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Old 22 Nov 2002, 01:40 (Ref:434402)   #18
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Thanks for the added info on him Inigo, Glen...i would love to see how he would get rid of the large and heavy bellhousing as miniaturising parts of the gearbox won't just about do it as the rear suspension is connected to the bellhousing and knowing the Williams design of rear suspensions....unless they are willing to change but then it'll be interesting to see and if only by mid season next season...don't they learn, you can't change the look and shape of the car from taking off parts here and there and bolt it on to an existing car.
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Achieving Ferrari standards of reliability will be impossible - it was unprecedented this year, and I doubt Ferrari can live up to it again this year...

The main thing next year is being as fast as possible and taking the risks whatever the cost.
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Old 22 Nov 2002, 21:39 (Ref:434999)   #20
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Achieving Ferrari standards of reliability will be impossible - it was unprecedented this year, and I doubt Ferrari can live up to it again this year...
Thing is they won't even run the F2003 until they are confident that it will be reliable... Byrne is already saying that they'll start the 2003 season with the F2002.... So I think we are pretty much guaranteed that level of reliability.
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