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27 Sep 2003, 15:47 (Ref:731872)
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Lola Mk 5/5A
Following on from the interesting dialogue on Lola T60, can the various experts clafify the position on the FJ Lola Mk 5 and 5A ? John Starkey's book indicates a total of 9 built but there seem to have been more racing in 1963 -
Mk5A Midland Rcg Ptnp 3 Mk5A plus possibly a Mk5 Winkelmann/Rees Berrow-Johnson Offenstadt Troberg Mk5 D Fletcher Len Selby D Hitches "Franz Muller" Bernusset Scuderia Italia/A de Adamich At least one other in Italy (Dari/Zanarotti) H Dibley possibly also Vroomen although I suspect this was an earlier model Could someone list them by chassis number? RAP |
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27 Sep 2003, 17:24 (Ref:731929)
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The total of nine excludes the 5a models.
Nine Mk5s were built in 1962, numbered BRJ43 to BRJ53. I don’t have a complete list but offer the following: BRJ43 - Equipe Lola (Hine, Prior) 1962, MRP (Hine, Fenning) from August 1962, MRP spare 1963 BRJ49 - David Hitches 1962-63 (initially I believe under the Equipe Lola banner) BRJ52 - Picko Troberg 1963 A further nine 5a models were built 1963 and numbered BRJ54-62, including: BRJ-55 - Eric Offenstadt BRJ-56 - Picko Troberg BRJ-57 - MRP BRJ-59 - MRP BRJ61 -Roman Dirschl |
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22 Jun 2004, 09:21 (Ref:1011771)
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Lola Mk5/5a
Hi David I am new to 10/tenths Forum but noted with interest very short string re Lola Mk5/5a F.J. cars.
Is there anyone who has details of original owners/drivers with respective chassis nos? What of Denis Taylor Mk5 crashed at Monaco in 1962 unfortunately killing Dennis? Also Hugh Dibley's car "Scuderia Light Blue"? I didn't think MRP raced Lolas until 1963 - Didn't Ron Harris run Lola pseudo works cars August 1962 to start of 1963 season. Anyone shed any light on these fabulous Juniors. |
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22 Jun 2004, 13:12 (Ref:1012067)
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There seem to be more than a fair few of them still around today! Whats the difference between the 5 and 5a?
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22 Jun 2004, 21:38 (Ref:1012646)
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The main differences between Mk5 & Mk5a Lolas are in the chassis design and the rear suspension design plus the engine cover and the rear wheel type.
The 5a chassis is much stiffer and more triangulated particularly in the cockpit area. I believe Tony Souhgate may have had some input in the design/detailing of the 5a. The 5a rear suspension is more conventional (the Mk5 had an upside down rear upright i.e. single bottom link and wishbone upper link as opposed to normal lower wishbone and single upper link). The 5a rear wheels also had 6 bolt T60 style wheels in lieu of 4 bolt 8 spoke pattern. The 5a engine cover was more streamlined with an improved appearance. |
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22 Jun 2005, 19:59 (Ref:1337590)
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Lola MK5 & 5a
Were there 9 or 10 ??? Was the first chassis No BRJ54 or BRJ55. Were the MRP cars 57,59,60 &64 ????????
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22 Jun 2005, 22:44 (Ref:1337754)
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Ted,
I think we got into these on the Lola T60 thread. Bryan. |
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23 Jun 2005, 05:26 (Ref:1337935)
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Bryan. Yes I read that thread BUT it did not answer the questions fully,but iff thats the best we can do !!!!! What do you know about the car that was around Melbourne circa 1994-2000.
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23 Jun 2005, 07:34 (Ref:1337998)
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Ted, Should be able to assist when I dig out the file, this will be the Rob.Hands car you are talking about.
Bryan. |
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24 Jun 2005, 06:27 (Ref:1338966)
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Ted,
The 1st chassis # for Mk5a's was BRJ54 and there were 10 made in all as original MK5a cars. Some were modified to T53, T54 and T55 cars and these were renumbered with Slough chassis plates. I have seen the car you are referring to as being in Australia mid 90's to 2000 which I believe was ex MRP T55. Regards HaydnM |
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27 Jun 2005, 07:10 (Ref:1340764)
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Thats interesting.Did this car run in Australia as a T55 with outboard front suspension ?????
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27 Jun 2005, 07:15 (Ref:1340770)
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Sorry pressed the button by mistake !!! Is this a converted MK5a or purpose built F3 T55 ???? as BT9 to BT6 !!!!!
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28 Jun 2005, 09:52 (Ref:1341822)
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I can't easily account for 10 5As. Using the F1R Fact Book, it seems that 8 were delivered by the end of April 1963
MRP x 3 Winkelmann/A Rees Offenstadt Troberg Berrow-Johnson Dibley I have not "spotted" any additional cars apearing later in the year so I presume that # 9 + 10 were replacements ? RAP |
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28 Jun 2005, 11:21 (Ref:1341873)
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Ted/RAP
The T55/Mk5a in Australia (mid 90's - 2000) arrived with SCA, 6 speed Hewland, 30 degree adaptor and outboard front suspension. From all indications it appeared to be a rebuilt Mk5a with pushrod rocker pivot bushes and inner mounting points still intact on the frame. It raced with F.J. engine and 5 speed only for a short period of time in Australia then was sold to U.S. According to "Lola History" in Autosport Dec 6 1968 all T53, T54 and T55's were at some stage Mk5a's. As for the number of Mk5a's two references list 10 Mk5a's. These are "Lola History" Autosport Dec 6 1968 and the book "British Racing Green" p 238. I dont have a definitive list for all cars. There seems to be more around now than there were in 1963. I can tell you that only 9 Mk5's were made by Lola. I have a note in my files which indicates Roman Dirschl as having Mk5a # BRJ61. Can't confirm however. Cheers HaydnM |
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28 Jun 2005, 15:46 (Ref:1342085)
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So if 9 cars were built starting with BRJ55 the last car is BRJ63 ?? Making the 4 MRP cars 57,59,60,63. 57,59,60,ran as T54s and 63 ran as a T55 with outboard suspension thats still in a box with it.
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28 Jun 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1342213)
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lola mk5a
there are most probably more now than originally made as john fenning made a load of replicas!!
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28 Jun 2005, 23:34 (Ref:1342438)
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Ted
To clarify :- - 9 off 1962 Lola Mk5's, chassis nos BRJ45 to BRJ53 inclusive. -10 off 1963 Lola Mk5a's, chassis nos BRJ54 to BRJ63 inclusive. Cheers, HaydnM |
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29 Jun 2005, 07:16 (Ref:1342554)
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OK Thats good .Just need to find out who was the original owner of BRJ 63 ?? Does the name JOHN MARSHALL of SANDUSKY OHIO USA ring any bells .He was the first US owner circa 66-72. He purchased it from Fred Opert.
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29 Jun 2005, 11:22 (Ref:1342705)
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Ted,
Is there a Jim Mulhall anywhere in the provenance? [US based] Chris |
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29 Jun 2005, 21:14 (Ref:1343307)
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Chris .Not mentioned After johnMarshall we have a Carl Iannalla of Geneva Ohio 1972-94.
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21 Jan 2006, 21:56 (Ref:1506299)
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Haydn,Chris and Ted. Discussing LOLA's MK5a T55 and T60- I have access some MRP period doc's belonging to David Baker. These raise as many questions as they answer.
BRJ57 MRP BRJ59 MRP BRJ63 MRP BRJ65 MRP SL1/64 MRP |
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23 Jan 2006, 07:01 (Ref:1507065)
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Andrew,
Welcome to ten tenths forum! Do these questions raised by these documents indicate more cars than ever officially recognised as being made by Lola or was it simply creating more plates for customs purposes? Have sent you mail. HaydnM |
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24 Jan 2006, 13:20 (Ref:1508016)
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mk5a's onwards
Haydn,
MRP had 5 Mk5a derived cars out Brands in '64, yet Lola only recorded 3 MRP Mk5a cars and an extra chassis.  Andrew. |
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21 Mar 2006, 16:43 (Ref:1555846)
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18 Jan 2007, 21:07 (Ref:1818778)
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murray.smith
I owned and raced a Mk 5 in the USA a few years ago. I bought it from David and Lorena McGloughlin and it was reputed to be the ex Willment car fitted with a twin cam Lotus Ford motor which ran at Brands Hatch in a non championship F1 Race in 1965 driven by Hawkins or Frank Gardner. It also supposedly ran at Enna. I can't remember the chassis number but I sold it to Douglas Jamison of Coys who raced it a few times and then sold it on to ?. Nice little car it still had a twin cam in it when I had it. I don't
remember too many details but the water bearing chassis tubes got really warm on the elbows I recall. |
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