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35 car entry list, wow!
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Better than zero cars and no series. At least the filler classes provide the traffic required for the LMP drivers to work for the win :-) As has been discussed before the LMPC / Formula Le Mans cars are classed as LMP2 in the opening LMS round at Paul Ricard. Next year LMP2 will be closer to LMPC and LMP1 will be closer to current LMP2. We are in the midst of a transition. I might agree more that GTC are a "filler" category unless the ALMS presents a clear plan to open it up to other GT3 cars. Ben |
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The problem with opening it up to GT3 cars is that the GT3s would be quicker than the GT2s. The le mans challenge cars could do with an extra 25-40 bhp to help them out drag the GT2s down the straights.
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If there is one thing the ALMS is good at is making sure the field is closely matched to make the racing competitive - GT2 is testement to that. If the prospect of Merc SLS, BMW Z4, Audi R8s and Porsches is possible with small reg tweaks I'm sure they can manage it. Ben |
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Just give them some time and a little bit of tweaking and those so-called filler classes will be about as good as GT2 is now, I believe. |
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Change happens, it is part of the sport. At the start of the ALMS, we simply had LMP. LMP 675 - now LMP2 was brought in to allow privateers to race. Now we have two new categories. LMP-C, which appears to be very similar to what the new LMP2 will be. GT-C, yes is filler now, but will it still be considered such when it has 2,3,4 marques entered? |
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Yah, I just hope there isn't utter chaos at Long Beach between the walls. if you spin in a Challenge car there aren't any gravel traps to catch you. and if spares were an issue in LMPC at Sebring..... No matter who wins, a successful Long Beach will be one with little to no car damage.
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My genuine concern is what happens to the big LMP class(es) in the ALMS in terms of full season entries after this season? |
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I have been wondering if the existence of the ALMS itself is in danger - I think I heard they have been losing money in the past year or two.
The spec classes may or may not provide good racing (I haven't seen any race with them) but I don't think that's what people want to see in sportscar racing - I think people want to see big name teams up against each other. Outside GT(2) (where big name teams are duking it out), what is there that really is interesting in the ALMS? The prototype class is meant to be the premiere class but it seems to be in real trouble. What I ask you is this: is the continued existence of the ALMS in doubt? |
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The ALMS has been in real survival mode since 2008, I think.
The development of the LMPC and GTC classes was a part of attempting to stay afloat by appearing in some semblance of health, but of course things still remaining as throughly tricky as they were before. The precariousness of the LMP scenario is a severely critical concern, as it has long been with the ALMS: if that all goes to fudge, then the pooch is screwed (hence why they have gone the LMPC route). So, yes, I would say its continued existence is in doubt in the sense times are tough: the danger of death by a thousand paper cuts, in particular the snowball effect, is the ever present danger I think. I still think the odds are reasonably in favour of surviving in the longer term, but, for sure, it is still well and truly in the woods. The thing that helps it get out could well be the very real strength of GT2 (well, I guess I should say GT now): it means there is at least one genuine area of interest to focus on in the races, which is rather helpful from the perception angle with regards media and PR etc. Last edited by Dutton; 27 Mar 2010 at 05:49. |
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LMP racing is not healthy right now because of the constant (and still undefined) threat of a rule change that can-might-will (we don't know) make your equipment obsolete and cost a quarter of a million minimum to update. Look at the European entry; P2s are more healthy because there are more than 4 old chassis available over there, but P1 is in the single digits, and that's including factory efforts that will also show up in the ALMS at some point. And the Euro championship costs are certainly not the same with only 5 races.
Privateers would have been happy to fill the void (and take the victories) left by Porsche-Audi-Acura in the last few years but didn't because buying soon-to-be-obsolete million-dollar cars wasn't interesting. Hopefully the new rule package will be attractive and set in stone. I'm just not sure mandating such small engines is any good when Americans have always been running big V8s and it's the Europeans who liked to run Cosworth and Judds. There certainly is no home-grown solution for them, unless they go the GT engine route. GTC and LMPC make up the half of the ALMS this year; keep these competitors happy with fair rule enforcement and they will be happy to stay around and maybe invest when other classes make sense to them. We're lucky GT is a manufacturer-fest because no team owner with expansion plans for this class (AJR, Black Swan, second Robertson Ford with pros, etc.) will pull the trigger until it starts making sense. |
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The only real probability of the ALMS, or a series like it going away, is if for some reason Atherton and Panoz decided to sell to ISC. I couldn't see someone who is proud of the legacy they have built, doing such a thing if there were any other options. |
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It is, and has always been, the most likely scenario that all current P-1 and P-2 chassis would live through the rule change! Granted there might/will be aero changes imposed to the body works but a large percentage of teams update aero packages regardless. The engines while not identical are capable of being swapped out of the P-1s and installation kits exist as they are in P-2s already, granted not costless but.. The engine rule has been known for quite some time now!! Rules have been postponed being implemented to save teams money, i.e., all the waivers for rear fenders etc.. this year. The FLM, LMPC and GTC ( /-3) have been introduced as an easement into what seems sure to become the 'privateer' classes of the future. The major problem is the economy and the time it takes to get it headed back the right direction, so far the rules makers have seemed to be aware of that! As to AJR, GMG, GETG, Primetime etc.. it makes sense for them to be where they are, these teams are being run as ladder programs, period! Blackswan will not be competitive with its current personnel up against the lead GT squads. L.P. |
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Just one question, is motorstv going to transmite the long beach race? is because it doesnt even apear in motors tv shedule!
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