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Old 22 Dec 2004, 05:08 (Ref:1185604)   #26
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Yup, 2004 was the disappointing year for both Rubens and Montoya.
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Old 23 Dec 2004, 19:24 (Ref:1186973)   #27
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Rubens made disappointing use of an awesome car - Montoya made slightly above average use of a disappointing car, but having a few brillaint drives and a lot of appalling luck along the way. You can't directly compare them both as 'disappointing years' as such.
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Old 24 Dec 2004, 02:59 (Ref:1187214)   #28
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Sorry Boots, but I disagree.

While brilliant at some races, he was prety average at others (even for the car). The 2 races preceeding his win come to mind.
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Old 24 Dec 2004, 15:14 (Ref:1187494)   #29
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I don't see how 'pretty average at some races' doesn't agree with 'slightly above average [for the season as a whole]. You're right that Ralf returned on very impressive form and had strong races at China and Japan, but it was a different story for much of the season.
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Old 24 Dec 2004, 15:15 (Ref:1187496)   #30
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Generally Montoya got more out of the Williams, more often than his teammate.
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Old 24 Dec 2004, 22:23 (Ref:1187668)   #31
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Dont disagree with that at all, but thats a little like saying Webber got more out of the Minardi the Yoong. Monty's team mates (IMO) had 'less than average' seasons.

Anyways, it was pointed out the guy that came 2nd in the championship had an average season (and he did) and it was compared to Monty. I've seen JPM have much stronger seasons than 2004 (even allowing for the car) so IMO, it was not 'above average'.
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Old 25 Dec 2004, 04:00 (Ref:1187724)   #32
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he was almost 40 secs clear at Monaco when Ms had that shunt.

I Hate to be nit-picky, but Michael crashed behind the SC.
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Old 25 Dec 2004, 08:09 (Ref:1187759)   #33
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I hate to nit-picky..but it partly involves a backmarker... LOL

But honestly, i've seen and i would have expected more from JPM considering the way he's supposed to be "special". I doubt anybody could be genuinely feel impressed with the season of either JPM and Rubens OVER A SEASON, and to term them as the "BEST Latin driver" is almost bordering of a joke, considering how they have fared compared not only to fellow Latin drivers, but also compared to their fellow collegues in F1 (not just within the team).

Next year MUST be better if they want to show that they are the real stuff, and not living off their hyped reputation in the media.
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Old 25 Dec 2004, 11:21 (Ref:1187784)   #34
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I don't think either of them were particularly impressive in 2004. Surely there was someone else out there who performed better...
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