Scoring guru anyone?

Kirk · 8 May 2006, 13:32 (Ref:1603358)

I need some assistance in determinig officially who was leading Sunday at the conclusion of lap 23.

Here is the dilemna as I see it. The official scoring has Kimi pitting on lap 23. If Kimi pits just as he is starting lap 23, then FA is the leader at lap 23's conclusion.

However if Kimi pits as he is concluding lap 23, then theoretically he crosses the start/stop line in the pits and therefore is leading as lap 24 begins.

Which is it? Does anyone know for certain how the official scoring system works.

Thank-you

**ScotsBrutesFan** · 8 May 2006, 14:03 (Ref:1603376)

If I understand your question properly...

I would say that it depends on where the Start/Finish (timing and scoring) line is.

It maybe that the car in the pit lane croses the line prior to stopping outside his garage, before the lead car on circuit crosses the line therefore the car in the pitlane is scored as leader for that lap.

Red · 8 May 2006, 14:45 (Ref:1603406)

The cars cross the line before stopping in their pits. Therefor, Kimi was leading the lap 24 as well. As I recall, the F1.com live timings said something like this (not only in his case, but Alonso or Schumacher as well):

1) Raikkonen (out)
2) Alonso
(...) etc

Kirk · 8 May 2006, 14:59 (Ref:1603414)

Thanks Red. That is how I interpretted it as well.

ensign14 · 8 May 2006, 16:29 (Ref:1603480)

Per the autosport lap chart site:

The end of lap 22 had Kimi leading Alonso by 13.6 seconds - up a second from the previous lap.

The end of lap 23 had Kimi leading Alonso by 11.1 seconds. Maybe coming into the pits?

The end of lap 24 had Alonso leading and Kimi back in 4th, 9.6 seconds back.

**Adam43** · 8 May 2006, 17:52 (Ref:1603548)

To repeat what is said above. The order was:

Code:

23 RAI ALO MSC MAS TRU MOY FIS RSC BUT SPE ROS BAR VIL HEI KLI MOR SAT ALB MOG

Kimi passed the beam in the pit lane before Fernado passed it on the track.

Kirk · 8 May 2006, 19:05 (Ref:1603607)

Thanks again:

To avoid confusion then, I assume all tracks are configured similarly, where a car pitting will end the lap they are on, shortly after entering pit lane.

I hadn't really given it much thought before.

ss_collins · 8 May 2006, 19:28 (Ref:1603634)

no not all tracks are like that - some have the timing halfway down the pit garages. So things can get confusing if badly managed

**Adam43** · 8 May 2006, 19:31 (Ref:1603638)

I don't know this for certain, but I think that there is more uniformity with the F1 timing. While not identical (each track is different) I think it is always before the pit garages.

Kirk · 8 May 2006, 19:32 (Ref:1603639)

I can always ask here to get the correct answer.

Thanks all

**Adam43** · 8 May 2006, 19:37 (Ref:1603646)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirk

I can always ask here to get the correct answer.

Now I am not sure that is a good assumption!

JABWOA · 9 May 2006, 03:08 (Ref:1603896)

"I don't know this for certain, but I think that there is more uniformity with the F1 timing. While not identical (each track is different) I think it is always before the pit garages."

I wouldn't have thought so, cause you could technically be second at Spa, and pit on the last lap and beat the first car to the line as the pit start is way before the control line (finish line). I was under the impression the control line extended right across the track and into pit lane.

Red · 9 May 2006, 06:35 (Ref:1603944)

The Line always extends from the track onto the pit-lane. In theory, it is possible to cover a shorter distance (a cuple meters though) by going into the pits and not on the track, however because you also have to hit the speed limiter by doing so, that scenario you mentioned above is higly unlikely.

Please note that start line (i'e the pole position) doesn't always match the finish line (The Line). Usually is in front of the pole, but not always. (Magny Cours is an example I believe, but not sure. The line is right after Lycee if I remember correctly, whereas the pole is way further down the straight. Can someone confirm?)

ss_collins · 9 May 2006, 14:22 (Ref:1604285)

correct red.

Yes more recently in F1 the loops / beams are before the garages but that has not always been the case. This is one of the reasons that a lot of tracks now have seperate start and finish lines.

Silverstone is the track that caused the change I think

Bleu · 9 May 2006, 15:06 (Ref:1604309)

All the tracks have finish line just after or just before garages. It is never in the middle, even if start line is.

For example, in Magny-Cours race distance is 70 laps on 4,411 kilometres.
However, the official race distance is 308,586 kilometres, which is 184 metres short of 70x4,411. It is because of the difference between start and finish line.

Indianapolis, Montreal, Melbourne and Monaco has finish line after the pits, others before IIRC.

Dani Filth · 9 May 2006, 15:44 (Ref:1604346)

On track positions Lap 23

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