What Qualifications?

[trogladyte]

What qualifications do senior dfficials need to do their jobs at race meetings? Can i do it if i asked,such as recovery/flagwaving/fires?

[User Name]

I don't think they "need" any, but some tracks insist you stick a bronze, silver or gold booklet in front of them to prove how smart you are. I have heaps of bits of paper that say how smart I am.

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by trogladyte

What qualifications do senior officials need to do their jobs at race meetings? Can i do it if i asked,such as recovery/flagwaving/fires?

Good question.

I've always thought myself better than working out on a corner (or a straight @ the GP).

I want to become a senior official, I know I could do any of the jobs better than anyone;

I don't have any qualifications either, so when can I start ?

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

I don't have any qualifications either, so when can I start ?

All you need to do Uncle is join the right Car Club, here in Victoria it's *****

[PVDA]

Being serious for a few seconds, yes there is a licencing scheme in place by CAMS.

It was started many years ago and was open to misuse as it seemed a lot of incompetent people had senior licence gradings and there was some interesting variation between the states.

They tightened up the system several years ago and only recently changed it once again but if it's for the best we wait to see.

The biggest issue is you can do a lot of the training on line but as most people realise there's a big difference between sitting in front of a PC and having a race car spinning out of control towards you at 250km/h.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Recently it became compulsory for all officials at race meetings to have a CAMS officials licence. You start off with a general licence which entitles you to work under direct supervision in any capacity and then after you complete the training, pass the tests and demonstrate proficiency at a number of meetings your licence is upgraded, to Bronze, then Silver and ultimately Gold. As PVDA said, a lot of the training and tests are done online, therefore you don't know if someone has really earned their stripes until they are tested for real.

A bronze licence entitles you to work without direct supervision. A silver licence entitles you to be a chief official at a meeting of up to State level. A gold licence entitles you to be chief at any level of meeting.

The upgrades are discipline specific. This means, eg. if you had a Gold flags licence and a bronze firies licence, you could be chief flaggie at anything, even an F1GP, but you couldn't be chief firie at anything, not even a club sprint.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Recently it became compulsory for all officials at race meetings to have a CAMS officials licence.

not true david, I was one of many who worked at a recent v8 meeting and not everyone had a cams officials licence, in fact none of us were even asked.

please get your facts straight

in fact a race track cannot legally ask you to have one, there is no legislation to support it. some tracks might like to think it is compulsory, but it isn't


also I didn't know I needed a cams officials licence at a aasa event, interesting

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by User Name

not true david, I was one of many who worked at a recent v8 meeting and not everyone had a cams officials licence, in fact none of us were even asked.

please get your facts straight

in fact a race track cannot legally ask you to have one, there is no legislation to support it. some tracks might like to think it is compulsory, but it isn't

It is you who needs to get your facts straight. It IS compulsory to have a CAMS official's licence to officiate at any CAMS permitted event. This is in the CAMS manual.

The fact that you allegedly got through without one, simply says that the regualtions are not being enforced or compliance isn't being checked. It does not prove the rule doesn't exist.

Organisers of an event can issue a licence on the spot to any trainee official.

[User Name]

they can't insist, we all volunteers, what would they do if noone had one - cancel the meeting, I think not!

just coz it might be stated in the cmas manual, means thet MIGHT try to enforce it but . . . . .

[User Name]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

The fact that you allegedly got through without one, simply says that the regualtions are not being enforced or compliance isn't being checked. It does not prove the rule doesn't exist.

regulations implies legislation david

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by User Name

they can't insist, we all volunteers, what would they do if noone had one - cancel the meeting, I think not!

If the chiefs aren't licensed, the permit won't be issued.

[User Name]

rubbish, it has happened

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by User Name

rubbish, it has happened

It won't happen again.

[Fig Jam]

Yes it will, because they can't enforce it everyone knows that

[MPA]

Originally Posted by trogladyte

Can i do it if i asked,such as recovery/flagwaving/fires?

I doubt they'l let you start fires even if you have got a gold pass.

[BFC]

Originally Posted by User Name

not true david, I was one of many who worked at a recent v8 meeting and not everyone had a cams officials licence, in fact none of us were even asked.

please get your facts straight

in fact a race track cannot legally ask you to have one, there is no legislation to support it. some tracks might like to think it is compulsory, but it isn't


also I didn't know I needed a cams officials licence at a aasa event, interesting

true...many officials who work at CAMS meetings do not have CAMS licences eg.tilt trucks,ambos,trackside officials so that blows that theory out of the water.I dont think anyone was asked about licences at the Winton v8 round....and as for senior officials and their colour gradings how come i am just a GENERAL OFFICIAL {no colour...] but did the recovery chief job at Winton V8"s....so that says something about Qualifications. Who said you need a CAMS licence for AASA events??????............CAMS? AS some drivers just have AASA licences why cant officials?

[Fig Jam]

David is just on here promoting CAMS BFC, don't be too worried. We all know what happens out in the real world. Maybe David needs to get out more and stop reading the 4000 pages of the CAMS manual inside out.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

The upgrades are discipline specific. This means, eg. if you had a Gold flags licence and a bronze firies licence, you could be chief flaggie at anything, even an F1GP, but you couldn't be chief firie at anything, not even a club sprint.

David the problem is, to quote my example, I HAD Flag 3, Fire 4 & Trackside 4 licence endorsements. Under the new scheme I received a Bronze Trackside licence in the mail a couple of weeks ago with absolutely no reference to the disciplines I specialised in.

In theory I could lob with a Bronze licence and claim I'm a gun fire marshal (I have put out several real race car fires which is more than some proper firies can claim). Mind you if I could've been bothered I probably could've got my grade 4's upped to 3's or higher but why waste my time.

I do know of marshals who proudly list their various gradings on their e-mail auto sigs & on letters they send who must be devistated to now only be a Bronze or Silver marshal.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Mind you if I could've been bothered I probably could've got my grade 4's upped to 3's or higher but why waste my time.

I agree, could have done the same, but enough of my time has and had been donated over the many years.

Originally Posted by PVDA

I do know of marshals who proudly list their various gradings on their e-mail auto sigs & on letters they send who must be devistated to now only be a Bronze or Silver marshal.

I think I know who your talking about, and what a laugh thats going to be.
You do know that they would be the first people to complain about the new license system and what it changed back.....

[Aquarius]

I was really suprised when I recieved my new book, it totaly over looks that time and effort I had put in to gain the indivdual qualifications.

Mind you PVDA, I do have bronze fire and rescue and paramedic.

[BFC]

Originally Posted by Fig Jam

David is just on here promoting CAMS BFC, don't be too worried. We all know what happens out in the real world. Maybe David needs to get out more and stop reading the 4000 pages of the CAMS manual inside out.

Yeah realise that by his posts.....he'd be better off reading Grimms Fairytales.....more entertaining and factual

[BFC]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

I agree, could have done the same, but enough of my time has and had been donated over the many years.



I think I know who your talking about, and what a laugh thats going to be.
You do know that they would be the first people to complain about the new license system and what it changed back.....

He only needs a small business card now