Oil, and its Effect on Auto Racing in the Future

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Sunoco 260 GT(100 0ctane unleaded ) and SUNOCO 260 GT Plus is highly oxygenated ( read 10% etoh )

Neither are petrolium proudcts so no oil worries.

Where the challange come is is ppl useing street car fuels to race on and traveling back and forth to races.

What is the other ninety percent, coal tar?

[SebringMG]

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

The Indian and Pakistani bombs were Fission.
Israel probably has fission capability.
Bob

Israel definately has fusion as they stole it off the US Principles associated with building fusion bomb are 'relatively' simple the process is fairly difficult, but really only question of time and money to achieve.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

What is the other ninety percent, coal tar?

YES Coal tar, Pine tar and Petrolium

Chemical industries produce xylene mostly from petroleum. It is one of the top 30 chemicals produced in the United States in terms of volume.

xylene, benzene and toluene (methylbenzene) are properties in race fuels.

100 octane race fuel has been $5.50 / gallon for about 5 years now

Oxyginated fuels provide additional HP but the catch is that A. the stuff is really expensive usually about $15-$20 a gallon & B. it is highly corrosive & must be drained from your tank after each race weekend to keep it from eating parts of your fuel system

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

YES Coal tar, Pine tar and Petrolium

Chemical industries produce xylene mostly from petroleum. It is one of the top 30 chemicals produced in the United States in terms of volume.

xylene, benzene and toluene (methylbenzene) are properties in race fuels.

100 octane race fuel has been $5.50 / gallon for about 5 years now

Oxyginated fuels provide additional HP but the catch is that A. the stuff is really expensive usually about $15-$20 a gallon & B. it is highly corrosive & must be drained from your tank after each race weekend to keep it from eating parts of your fuel system

AU:
You said it is not a petroleum product, they ARE petroleum products.
Ten percent alcohol is nothing, especially ethanol, it is the apprx. maximum level at which fuel separation takes longer, so entire shipments are not corrupted in transit.
Over time it will eventually separate.

All alcohols are corrovsive which is why tanks are drained; a vehicle set-up for E85 has to have all points in the system built out of non-reactive material.

By what measure did you thnk those gasolines were not petroleum related?
Bob

[Bob Riebe]

Sebring:
Estimates for Israel's nuclear weapons stockpile range from 70 to 400 warheads. The actual number is probably closer to the lower estimate. Additional weapons could probably be built from inventories of fissile materials.
The Dimona nuclear reactor is the source of plutonium for Israeli nuclear weapons. The number of nuclear weapons that could have been produced by Israel has generally been estimated on the basis of assumptions about the power level of this reactor, combined with estimates for the number of delivery vehicles (aircraft, missiles) assigned a nuclear mission.

Information made public in 1986 by Mordechai Vanunu indicated that at that time, weapons grade plutonium was being produced at a rate of about 40 kilograms annually. If this figure corresponded with the steady-state capacity of the entire Dimona facility, analysts suggested that the reactor might have a power level of at least 150 megawatts, about twice the power level at which is was believed to be operating around 1970. To accommodate this higher power level, analysts had suggested that Israel had constructed an enlarged cooling system. An alternative interpretation of the information supplied by Vanunu was that the reactor's power level had remained at about 75 megawatts, and that the production rate of plutonium in the early 1980s reflected a backlog of previously generated material.

The constraints on the size of Israel's stockpile include several potential variables, several of which are generic to any nuclear weapons program. The Dimona reactor may have operated an average of between 200 and 300 days annually, and produced approximately 0.9 to 1.0 grams of plutonium for each thermal megawatt day. Israel may have use between 4 and 5 kilograms of plutonium per weapon [5 kilograms is a conservative estimate, and Vanunu reported that Israeli weapons used 4 kg].

The key variable that is specific to Israel is the power level of the reactor, which is reported to be at least 75 MWt and possibly as high as 200 MWt. New high-resolution satellite imagery provides important insight this matter. The imagery of the Dimona nuclear reactor was acquired by the Public Eye Project of the Federation of American Scientists from Space Imaging Corporation's IKONOS satellite. The cooling towers associated with the Dimona reactor are clearly visible and identifiable in satellite imagery. Comparison of recently acquired commercial IKONOS imagery with declassified American CORONA reconnaissance satellite imagery indicates that no new cooling towers were constructed in the years between 1971 and 2000. This strongly suggests that the reactor's power level has not been increased significantly during this period. This would suggest an annual production rate of plutonium of about 20 kilograms.

Based on plausible upper and lower bounds of the operating practices at the reactor, Israel could have thus produced enough plutonium for at least 100 nuclear weapons, but probably not significantly more than 200 weapons.

Some type of non-nuclear test, perhaps a zero yield or implosion test, occurred on 2 November 1966 [possibly at Al-Naqab in the Negev]. There is no evidence that Israel has ever carried out a nuclear test, although many observers speculated that a suspected nuclear explosion in the southern Indian Ocean in 1979 was a joint South African-Israeli test.


Sources and Resources
Avner Cohen and William Burr, Israel Crosses the Thresshold, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, May/June 2006

They are speaking of fissible material, not a fusion bomb.
Bob

[SebringMG]

Hmm had read somewhere they had them - never mind even one fission bomb is too many !!! South Africa used to have fission bombs and dismantled them - just wish more governments would do this

Hehe those are deffinately petroleum products and some of the more nasty ones too - benzene is deffinately not good for your health!!

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Pure and simple BS. Just like the childrens story of Chicken Little. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling, we are running out of oil, we are running out of oil"


The amount of ( read these words) Usable, accesable, and refiable oil in the world is stagering. IE we are not running out. Plus the amount or Usable, not-yet accesable and refiable oil is even greater then the accesable oil. ( Canada, Off the coast or Virgina, NC and eastern Gulf of Mex ) Source: USGS

There are so many untapped or undrilled but known oil researves in the world that oil in the forseable future ( next 1000 years even at 100x current daily consumption the world will not run out of oil.

I think you are in denial. The headline of Financial Times today:

World will face oil crunch ‘in five years’

Supply can not keep up with demand, so prices will rise. Read it yourself at http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2d97d75a-2e0...0779fd2ac.html

[GTfour]

What about hydrogen? Doesn't that have an enormous amount of energy per liter? And it'll allow for most of the piston engines to keep being used. Well,the principle at least...

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by GTfour

What about hydrogen? Doesn't that have an enormous amount of energy per liter? And it'll allow for most of the piston engines to keep being used. Well,the principle at least...

There will be a permanent colony on the moon and hydrogen will still be a fantasy.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

I think you are in denial. The headline of Financial Times today: Supply can not keep up with demand, so prices will rise. Read it yourself at http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2d97d75a-2e0...0779fd2ac.html

Good Comics. and ppl really believe everything they read?

Known Supply is overly abundent.

Refineries are old and cant or dont want to keep up. But that is OK too. Our Mobil/ Exxon stock hit $81 yesterday.