Diesotto - so how does it work

[coolbiker]

I've seen the recent release from Merecedes about the diesotto
petrol engine.

It's supported to be the next big thing (according to their own PR)..

Offering benefits of petrol and diesel but I cannot find many details.

Such as CR - it says variable displacement - so I'm presuming the CR changes based on hydraulic rams - I presume.

Other stuff like ignition is either convetional spark plug or diesel compression
- I guess based on load / engine speed.

Anyone know more details.

[boyracer]

A google search reveals a few details, not a lot more than the PR blabber though. Apparently Saab have already experimented with a variable compression motor, search the web again. Seems as though they achieved this by hinging the top half of the motor relative to the bottom half carrying the crank and everything. Obviously there are a few technicalties to get around like camshaft drive for starters. I'm sure all will be revealed in the fullness of time.

[Notso Swift]

I remember SAAB doing it, quite a while ago mid 90's.
Before they wer 100% GM (though after GM had a stake). Probably got shelved as a result of full ownership.
Compression went from about 8:0 to 15:1
the head was joined to the block skirt, and sliped over a second "crankcase block" (if you know what I mean)
There was a seal repalcing the head gasket but I Couldn't really work out how it worked from the simple cutawy drawing

[Notso Swift]

I remember SAAB doing it, quite a while ago mid 90's.
Before they wer 100% GM (though after GM had a stake). Probably got shelved as a result of full ownership.
Compression went from about 8:0 to 15:1
the head was joined to the block skirt, and sliped over a second "crankcase block" (if you know what I mean)
There was a seal repalcing the head gasket but I Couldn't really work out how it worked from the simple cutawy drawing

[T.R.D.]

Hi,

I don't know how does work the Diesotto VCR engine, but I work on another VCR engine : the MCE-5 engine.

The MCE-5 project have been started in 1997 when my boss Mr Vianney Rabhi imagine the MCE-5 VCR concept. Now monocylinders engines are running in CERTAM (Aerothermic engine reaserch center in Saint-étienen du Rouvray (FRANCE) and four-cylinders are running in Magny-cours (FRANCE) just at 50 meters from the Formula one circuit

You can find some details with this link :

http://www.mce-5.com/mce-5_technology/index.htm

The variable compression ratio seems to be a good way to decrease fuel consumption... but I can't tell you more because we have deposed some patents.

[AU N EGL]

WHoa Big Guy lets try this so we can READ it

Originally Posted by T.R.D.

Hi,

I don't know how does work the Diesotto VCR engine, but I work on another VCR engine : the MCE-5 engine.

The MCE-5 project have been started in 1997 when my boss Mr Vianney Rabhi imagine the MCE-5 VCR concept. Now monocylinders engines are running in CERTAM (Aerothermic engine reaserch center in Saint-étienen du Rouvray (FRANCE) and four-cylinders are running in Magny-cours (FRANCE) just at 50 meters from the Formula one circuit

You can find some details with this link :

http://www.mce-5.com/mce-5_technology/index.htm

The variable compression ratio seems to be a good way to decrease fuel consumption... but I can't tell you more because we have deposed some patents.

[JamesH]

That looks pretty clever (I like the rack connection at each end of the rocker). It would be interesting to know the performance when compared to similar sized non-VCR engines.

I do remember form a couple of years (probably more) back a VCR engine that used a two piece conrod system with the pivot in the middle being moved to produce the variation, but I cannot remember what it was called.

[Speedy1]

http://www.crower.com/sp/bruce/p_mech.pdf

also from autoweek





PETE LYONS



Bruce Crower has lived, breathed and built hot engines his whole life. Now he’s working on a cool one—one that harnesses normally-wasted heat energy by creating steam inside the combustion chamber, and using it to boost the engine’s power output and also to control its temperature.

“I’ve been trying to think how to capture radiator losses for over 30 years,” explains the veteran camshaft grinder and race engine builder. “One morning about 18 months ago I woke up, like from a dream, and I knew immediately that I had the answer.”

Hurrying to his comprehensively-equipped home workshop in the rural hills outside San Diego, he began drawing and machining parts, and installing them in a highly modified, single-cylinder industrial powerplant, a 12-hp diesel he converted to use gasoline. He bolted that to a test frame, poured equal amounts of fuel and water into twin tanks, and pulled the starter-rope.

“My first reaction was, ‘Gulp! It runs!’” the 75-year-old inventor remembers. “And then this ‘snow’ started falling on me. I thought, ‘What hath God wrought…’”

The “snow” was flakes of white paint blasted from the ceiling by the powerful pulses of exhaust gas and steam emitted from the open exhaust stack, which pointed straight up.

Over the following year Crower undertook a methodical development program, in particular trying out numerous variations in camshaft profiles and timing as he narrowed the operating parameters of his patented six-stroke cycle.

Recently he’s been trying variations of the double-lobe exhaust cams to delay and even eliminate the opening of the exhaust valve after the first power stroke, to “recompress” the combustion gasses and thus increase the force of the steam-stroke.

The engine has yet to operate against a load on a dyno, but his testing to date encourages Crower to expect that once he gets hard numbers, the engine will show normal levels of power on substantially less fuel, and without overheating.

“It’ll run for an hour and you can literally put your hand on it. It’s warm, yeah, but it’s not scorching hot. Any conventional engine running without a water jacket or fins, you couldn’t do that.”

Indeed, the test unit has no external cooling system—no water jacket, no water pump, no radiator; nothing. It does retain fins because it came with them, but Crower indicates the engine would be more efficient if he took the trouble to grind them off. He has discarded the original cooling fan.

So far he has used only gasoline, but Bruce believes a diesel-fueled test engine he is now constructing—with a hand-made billet head incorporating the one-third-speed camshaft—will realize the true potential of his concept.


Potential…and Questions
Crower invites us to imagine a car or truck (he speaks of a Bonneville streamliner, too) free of a radiator and its associated air ducting, fan, plumbing, coolant weight, etc.

“Especially an 18-wheeler, they’ve got that massive radiator that weighs 800, 1000 pounds. Not necessary,” he asserts. “In those big trucks, they look at payload as their bread and butter. If you get 1000 lb. or more off the truck…”

Offsetting that, of course, would be the need to carry large quantities of water, and water is heavier than gasoline or diesel oil. Preliminary estimates suggest a Crower cycle engine will use roughly as many gallons of water as fuel.

And Crower feels the water should be distilled, to prevent deposits inside the system, so a supply infrastructure will have to be created. (He uses rainwater in his testing.) Keeping the water from freezing will be another challenge.

But the inventor sees overriding benefits. “Can you imagine how much fuel goes into radiator losses every day in America? A good spark-ignition engine is about 24 percent efficient; ie., about 24 cents of your gasoline dollar ends up in power. The rest goes out in heat loss through the exhaust or radiator, and in driving the water pump and the fan and other friction losses.

“A good diesel is about 30 percent efficient, a good turbo diesel about 33 percent. But you still have radiators and heavy components, and fan losses are extremely high on a big diesel truck.”

Bottom-line, Bruce estimates his new operating cycle could improve a typical engine’s fuel consumption by 40 percent. He also anticipates that exhaust emissions may be greatly reduced. It’s all thanks to the steam.

“A lot of people don’t know that water expands 1600 times when it goes from liquid into steam. Sixteen hundred! This is why steam power is so good. But it’s dangerous…”

The danger of a boiler explosion has long been a factor in engineering—and in operating—steam powerplants of all kinds, and Crower is properly wary of the miniature boiler he has conjured up inside his test engine. That’s one reason he chose to use one originally manufactured as a diesel, for its inherent strength, though he installed a carburetor and ignition system so it could burn gasoline at first.

The original diesel fuel injector system now supplies the water spray to generate the steam-stroke.

In addition to producing extra power, the injected water cools the piston and exhaust valve, which suggests to Crower that he could raise the compression ratio. “I’ve done this many times on regular engines: 15-to-1 on gasoline for the first five seconds works pretty good until you get some chamber heat and then suddenly it gets into pinging. But with the chamber being chilled, I bet 12-, 13-to-1 will be no problem on cheap fuel.

“So what we can maybe do is have fuels that aren’t quite as good…It’ll save a nickel a gallon not having to keep three grades going.”

As for his hope of lowering emissions, Bruce speculates the steam might purge “cling-on hydrocarbons” out of the combustion chamber. “This thing may turn out to be so clean that you won’t have to have a catalytic converter.

But he admits that’s unknown, saying “there’s a lot of experimenting still to be done.” Which prospect makes him smile. He thrives on this kind of challenge.


Bruce’s Background
“You’ve kinda got to be in the cam business and know the dynamics of engines,” Bruce Crower says about how the idea occurred to him. And he certainly has that background.

He was building and racing hot rods (and hot bikes), manufacturing speed equipment and operating his own speed shop in his home town of Phoenix when he was still a teen.

After moving to San Diego in the 1950s, among other exploits he dropped a Hemi into a Hudson and drove it to a 157-mph speed record at Bonneville.

Inevitably, the inventive and inexhaustible Crower built up a major equipment business in superchargers, intake manifolds, clutches and, especially, camshafts. He’s also credited with first suggesting a rear wing to Don Garlits—in 1963, three years before Jim Hall’s winged Chaparral. Bruce Crower is now in Florida’s Drag Racing Hall of Fame.

Crower actually had introduced a wing two years earlier, during practice on Jim Rathmann's 1961 Indianapolis car—five years before Jim Hall’s winged Chaparral. Bruce had been crewing at the Speedway since 1954 (Jimmy Bryan, second place), and had been part of Rathmann's 1960 victory effort. He was likewise on the winning teams in 1966 (Graham Hill) and 1967 (AJ Foyt). Three decades later, in 1998, Eddie Cheever won with Crower cams.

Bruce even produced his own complete Indy engine, a flat-8 that didn’t quite make the field in 1977 and then was rendered obsolete (due to its width) by the advent of ground-effect tunnels. But the Crower 8 and its automatic clutch did win an SAE award for innovation.

Today, Crower Cams and Equipment Company employs about 160 people in five facilities, and manufactures not only cams but crankshafts and connecting rods—including titanium rods for (unnamed) Formula One customers.

Bruce Crower can’t be called retired now, but he’s happy to let the company he founded “roll along” while he “plays with cars.” That’s how he looks at the intensive R&D work he carries out in the privacy of his 13-acre horse property near the rural community of Jamul.

One of several projects is building up Honda S2000 engines for the Midget raced by his granddaughter, Ashley Swanson. (“I think she’s on par with Danica Patrick,” says the proud grampa.)

But his prime focus is proving his six-stroke engine is as revolutionary as he believes it is. “I’ve been trying to find something wrong with the whole basic idea for almost a year,” he says, “but I think we’re going to have a very marketable item.”

Then he adds philosophically, “If it turns out to be great, fine. If it doesn’t, it’s just another year out of my life that I’ve had a lot of fun doing something.”

[AU N EGL]

The variable compression ratio seems to be a good way to decrease fuel consumption... but I can't tell you more because we have deposed some patents.

Check your Race Technical rules. You may not be able to use VCR.