Lydden bank holiday Monday

[chunder]

Rallycross survived perfectly well before stock hatch didnt it!

I dont particularly enjoy watching one make championships for varyingly battered cars, those days should be behind us really, but it does provide a useful starting point and also a great way for peopole to get into the sport.

I think far more stock needs to be the idea though! They look too quick and too expensive right now.

[leonidas]

To be honest at club level I don't care how battered the cars are or if they are held together with string providing the racing is good. If you look back at the so-called heyday of rallycross in the 1970s cars were probably in a worse cosmetic state then! There is nothing stopping the scrutes telling drivers to tidy them up if things get too bad.

For me the problem is that there is not enough stock hatch - surely we should be getting 40 stock hatches at a classic circuit like Lydden? Perhaps the domination of a couple of well-known drivers is having its effect? I'm not sure what you can do about that though. Success ballast maybe?

[Rallycross Fan]

well with erc lydden weekend over, 2grp b cars and 1 jolly dutchmen, i meet more euro drivers on the ring road. no news in motoring news about euro event , i understand the plug was pulled in holland last week at the euro event .

[Stephen H]

Originally Posted by Rallycross Fan

well with erc lydden weekend over, 2grp b cars and 1 jolly dutchmen, i meet more euro drivers on the ring road. no news in motoring news about euro event , i understand the plug was pulled in holland last week at the euro event .

A great days racing enjoyed by all, so whats the point of the above. It was a British Championship Round.

And thankfully as a spectator who pays to see a spectacle, Group B cars are very much a part of the Championship.

Bank Holiday News doesn`t always make it in the following Wednesday, does it.

So what plug was pulled. Was the event a Candidate event? Rallycross Online have it listed as such an event?

The Finnish Candiate event didn`t have a large Foreign entry, and last years French Candidate event was an all French entry. So why would you expect euro drivers to attend?

Not wishing to remind Arthur D of that advert he can`t stand, but I`m confused?

[baldtom]

In defence of the stock hatches, I'd just like to say that the marshalls all look forward to the stock hatches as the racing is close and competitive.

I felt that this last weekend was not exception, yes the grids werent as good as previous years, but then the supercar grid was also down, possibly due to the fact that times are tight and racing costs money.

Similarly I felt that the junior minis provided some of the best racing over the weekend, lively at times and very competitive..........

I feel that criticism of the stock hatches is unfair, we dont criticise flrmula fords because they arent as fact as F1, everyone has to start somewhere....

Long live the stock hatches!!!

[daz2202]

Originally Posted by baldtom

In defence of the stock hatches, I'd just like to say that the marshalls all look forward to the stock hatches as the racing is close and competitive.

I felt that this last weekend was not exception, yes the grids werent as good as previous years, but then the supercar grid was also down, possibly due to the fact that times are tight and racing costs money.

Similarly I felt that the junior minis provided some of the best racing over the weekend, lively at times and very competitive..........

I feel that criticism of the stock hatches is unfair, we dont criticise flrmula fords because they arent as fact as F1, everyone has to start somewhere....

Long live the stock hatches!!!

I'll buy this man a beer !

[Hickey]

Originally Posted by Rallycross Fan

well with erc lydden weekend over, 2grp b cars and 1 jolly dutchmen, i meet more euro drivers on the ring road. no news in motoring news about euro event , i understand the plug was pulled in holland last week at the euro event .

There's always one isn't there. Everyone else had a great day out but it wouldn't be a BRC event without a nay-sayer. Why not just stay on the ring road then, 'cos you are clearly not a Rallycross Fan?!

On the Stock Hatch issue. I agree that the racing is usually close and the speed is not important. But one way to get around small entries must be to combine the the two classes. It just seems daft for 8 to compete in one and 15 in the other. From a spectacle point of view, would be better to see 3 heats of 8, mixing it up a bit. I realise there are cost differences, but if this is the only difference, it could be resolved.

[ScottDay]

Why do people feel the need to knock stock hatch, and the formula in general?

Its a low cost budget formula, great entertainment I always find. Everybody needs to start somewhere, look where it got the likes of Andrew J!

[westfieldbend]

Originally Posted by Hickey

On the Stock Hatch issue. I agree that the racing is usually close and the speed is not important. But one way to get around small entries must be to combine the the two classes. It just seems daft for 8 to compete in one and 15 in the other. From a spectacle point of view, would be better to see 3 heats of 8, mixing it up a bit. I realise there are cost differences, but if this is the only difference, it could be resolved.

Exactlly

[leonidas]

Yes, the MSA stock hatch class just hasn't been supported in sufficient numbers. It might be better for the MSA 'third tier' class to be a 2 litre stock class - this would open it up to more types of car and attract a wider range of more experienced competitors. It would also bring the MSA championship and Open championship into line.

Stock hatch 1600 could then go back to being a true national B entry level class for those just starting out.

[Rallycross Fan]

[quote=Hickey]There's always one isn't there. Everyone else had a great day out but it wouldn't be a BRC event without a nay-sayer. Why not just stay on the ring road then, 'cos you are clearly not a Rallycross Fan?!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But it's such a shame when it is formed purely from propaganda and not reality! I suggest you talk to some of the Supermodified drivers

[mooch]

Originally Posted by Rallycross Fan/BESTREP/Lionel/whatever your name is!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But it's such a shame when it is formed purely from propaganda and not reality! I suggest you talk to some of the Supermodified drivers

What have the Supermodified drivers got to do with anything? and propaganda? not sure what point you are trying to make here?

[golfvanman]

well i dont know about anybody else but i think it was a well run meeting with some good close racing, a little too close from my seat but was all good fun at the end of the day. I had the curse of the onboard TV camera so it should make some good viewing

[MiniMadness]

Originally Posted by silver bullet

I'm sorry you find the Stockhatch's boring but without them there would be no rallycross. All forms of motorsport need cheap entry level classes. I know these are not as exciting to watch as the top classes, but they are essential to the growth of the sport, as the first rung in the ladder.

As for ex Stockhatch drivers who have made the transition to Supercars :- Andrew Jordan, Simon Horton, Chris Langley, Liam Doran & Aiden McCullagh.
In other classes you also have, Don Shannon, Jaimie Lea, Derek Tohill, Ben Power, Ashley Simpson. Also both Brian Jukes & myself were racing in the BTRDA Supermodified class on Monday, add to these Hal Ridge who will soon be out in a Div1 car.

Lets not forget Minicross aswell, drivers that have moved onto Supercars or Modifieds are David Binks, Richard Wakeling, Paul Wakeling, Terry Moore, Garry York, Scott Lawson, John Heath, Andy Lee, Paul Buckmaster, Phil Collard, plus Junior drivers Andrew Jordan, Ash Simpson, Ben Power, George Tracy Jr. Then we have Juniors now setting the Rallying world alight Adam Gould and Jason Pritchard.

We need these lower end formulas.

[MiniMadness]

Originally Posted by golfvanman

well i dont know about anybody else but i think it was a well run meeting with some good close racing, a little too close from my seat but was all good fun at the end of the day. I had the curse of the onboard TV camera so it should make some good viewing

What happened to your driver's door ??

[golfvanman]

tried to open it so i could wave to the crowd better.......hahahah, what really happened was after a first lap collision with ben power and mike turpin it broke the catch and then made its bid for freedom,

[PhergAthor]

Originally Posted by mooch

What have the Supermodified drivers got to do with anything? and propaganda? not sure what point you are trying to make here?

Off-topic: be best cure for this negative bashing is to ignore it all together. If there is only 1 negative comment on an apparently verry good event, DO NOT give that person the pleasure by replying.