MSNZ & TMC - 'Wheels start to come off'

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by RogerH

You sound very much like a MSNZ official "Tracie" - might be revealing if you came out and disclosed who you really are .....

Bang on there, brother. It's pretty obvious from the defensive comments that "Tracie" is upset by criticism of the way "she" helps run the show...

I wish you every success in your efforts to promote change in an organization that has more than a few rotten apples in the barrel...

[flyingduck]

I agree with Roger I have known a few Auckland guys that have tried to be on the board with no results. I would like to see a big shake up of MNZ and Motorsport company. The show the V8ST are putting on has shown up the Motorsport company and I think the marketing of the sport has been very poor this year and others and I thought they would have ramped it up to compete against the ST.

Tracie I'm interested to hear you comments but people have been trying for over 20 years to make changes, I think you are a little rude to say people are just grizzling from the outside.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by flyingduck

I agree with Roger I have known a few Auckland guys that have tried to be on the board with no results. I would like to see a big shake up of MNZ and Motorsport company. The show the V8ST are putting on has shown up the Motorsport company and I think the marketing of the sport has been very poor this year and others and I thought they would have ramped it up to compete against the ST.

Tracie I'm interested to hear you comments but people have been trying for over 20 years to make changes, I think you are a little rude to say people are just grizzling from the outside.

I think you'll find that's because he's speaking from the inside of his ivory tower!

[Southern Man]

Just picked up on this news release.



There will be a new approach to the promotion of premier race meetings in 2012. A new name – MotorSport Promotions Limited – a new board and some new faces will complement a raft of other changes for premier classes in the next Championship season.

MotorSport New Zealand has announced a new six-member board as part of a plan to revitalise the promotion of the premier race season in 2012. The appointments supplement existing board members Bill Brown, representing circuit interests, Auckland businessman Shane McKillen and CEO Martin Fine.

Stepping up to lead the charge are Toyota New Zealand’s general manager of finance John Fowke, South Island businessman and motorsport identity Ian (Inky) Tulloch and David Dovey, current president of the IRC, the independent race class series which has supported both the premier series and Toyota International Series this year. Additional specialist appointments are also expected to be made.

“The move to widen the board is a conscious effort to include more stakeholders in the business of promoting the premier end of the sport,” MotorSport President Shayne Harris said in announcing the appointments. “Having the support of key stakeholders like the Toyota Racing Series and NZV8 Championship sends a clear signal to competitors and sponsors alike that the promotions company remains a vital link in creating a real place to showcase the sport at its most competitive level.”

“Careers are made from winning New Zealand Championships and New Zealand is fortunate to have some of the best trophies in its trophy cabinet, including the GP title and the coveted Gold Stars,” he said.

The appointment of the IRC coordinator means closer ties to many of the other promotable and growing categories. “There is a lot of synergy between our respective series,” said Dovey. “This tie-up will help the company offer IRC classes an opportunity to step up to the main game, while supplying additional classes at some championship meetings. It also gives us access to promotional expertise at some of our meetings,” he said.

A new role of marketing manager for the V8 category has also been created, with long-time motorsport marketing guru Brian Lawrence joining the team from Australia.

“This restructure gives us a good opportunity to evaluate our business, access some new talent and harness some new technology,” said Fine. “Motorsport isn’t just about cars racing on circuits; people want to be entertained both on and off track. The opportunity to fill our programmes with a great cross-section of motorsport will satisfy the needs of the true petrolhead, but at the same time we will be offering great entertainment for families in the areas around New Zealand where our shareholding circuits are operating,” he said.

Further announcements are expected following the first board meeting later this month.



Will be very interesting to see how it all comes out in th future, obviously the powers that be had also worked out that TMC as it was structured and as how we all knew it had passed it's used by date.

[Speedwayracer44]

OMG, Just having breakfast with my ipad to this stunning news. Poor Brian Laurence, does he know what hes got into here and does MPL realise that there isnt a V8SC team he hasnt worked for!
New company, same old faces, same leaders.
This is not the news motorsport in NZ needs to hear. Do you think a name change will make a difference, remember a leopard never changes its spots.
Fine seems to be the major sokesman here or could he be the president in disguise given his influence. He was struck off the Bar, influenced the MSNZ backdown back when clark proctor sent the heavies around to beat Ross thurston up (who was one of their own back then) after a DQ, who was involved in evading a driver from drug testing charges, who was involved in intervening in the infamous triple X porsche sandwhich at Timaru in 2011 and it nearly cost their own Dan gaunt the championship and who was involved when XXX were alowed to have pit garages at Taupo when all other drivers had to drive through pits on their hot race tyres.
I hope his accounts of MSC are covered up better for when the IRD come see him than the presentation to the sport.
So who are the victims here from MSC to MPL, Short, cooper or both. Think they have got the wrong man here but its an old boys network so you always look after each other right.
When will the members learn and good on you Roger H that the sooner the sport gets into the 21st century and dumps the old boys, dumps the organisation and pulls the sport into an answerable accounatble business like rugby, league, cricket etc, the sooner bloke can feel like going racing again.
Sad day, on a positive not what crazy fields for GT1 and muscle cars at hamilton, does anyone know if this is being screened on the speed channel?

[RogerH]

I wonder if this is a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of TMC as the "new" company - Motorsport Promotions Limited - hasn't even been formed yet. It bears an uncanny name resemblance to NZ Motorsport Promotions Limited owned Martin Fine, Robbo and others.
Seems to me to be a re-packaging of the same old thing - TMC directors transfer to the new entity, the shareholders of TMC apparently transfer to the new entity and all the issues of principle between TMC and MSNZ remain.
As my granddad use to say "even if you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig".

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Just picked up on this news release.



There will be a new approach to the promotion of premier race meetings in 2012. A new name – MotorSport Promotions Limited – a new board and some new faces will complement a raft of other changes for premier classes in the next Championship season.

MotorSport New Zealand has announced a new six-member board as part of a plan to revitalise the promotion of the premier race season in 2012. The appointments supplement existing board members Bill Brown, representing circuit interests, Auckland businessman Shane McKillen and CEO Martin Fine.

Stepping up to lead the charge are Toyota New Zealand’s general manager of finance John Fowke, South Island businessman and motorsport identity Ian (Inky) Tulloch and David Dovey, current president of the IRC, the independent race class series which has supported both the premier series and Toyota International Series this year. Additional specialist appointments are also expected to be made.

“The move to widen the board is a conscious effort to include more stakeholders in the business of promoting the premier end of the sport,” MotorSport President Shayne Harris said in announcing the appointments. “Having the support of key stakeholders like the Toyota Racing Series and NZV8 Championship sends a clear signal to competitors and sponsors alike that the promotions company remains a vital link in creating a real place to showcase the sport at its most competitive level.”

“Careers are made from winning New Zealand Championships and New Zealand is fortunate to have some of the best trophies in its trophy cabinet, including the GP title and the coveted Gold Stars,” he said.

The appointment of the IRC coordinator means closer ties to many of the other promotable and growing categories. “There is a lot of synergy between our respective series,” said Dovey. “This tie-up will help the company offer IRC classes an opportunity to step up to the main game, while supplying additional classes at some championship meetings. It also gives us access to promotional expertise at some of our meetings,” he said.

A new role of marketing manager for the V8 category has also been created, with long-time motorsport marketing guru Brian Lawrence joining the team from Australia.

“This restructure gives us a good opportunity to evaluate our business, access some new talent and harness some new technology,” said Fine. “Motorsport isn’t just about cars racing on circuits; people want to be entertained both on and off track. The opportunity to fill our programmes with a great cross-section of motorsport will satisfy the needs of the true petrolhead, but at the same time we will be offering great entertainment for families in the areas around New Zealand where our shareholding circuits are operating,” he said.

Further announcements are expected following the first board meeting later this month.



Will be very interesting to see how it all comes out in th future, obviously the powers that be had also worked out that TMC as it was structured and as how we all knew it had passed it's used by date.

Very interesting indeed! Bit of a pity to see any of the old people retained but good to see John Fowke and David Dovey - the IRC's inclusion could definitely be seen as a bit of an olive branch, couldn't it...

[promax]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

the IRC's inclusion could definitely be seen as a bit of an olive branch, couldn't it...

we can only hope

[Speedwayracer44]

Originally Posted by promax

we can only hope

While you must applaud these guys for getting onto MPL and good luck in a vote by the way, why would Toyota and IRC get involved in a series and even a sport that has already thrown sand in their face by putting all their energy, time and license holder money into NZV8 and removing their focus off administering and promoting the sport as a whole.

[Icarus_nz]

The new (old) marketting manager will fit right in. Shake hands and count your fingers afterwards...

Is this 'new' entity a way of not opening the books to shareholders?

I guess Toyota are getting involved because they are very short of options.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

The new (old) marketting manager will fit right in. Shake hands and count your fingers afterwards...

Is this 'new' entity a way of not opening the books to shareholders?

I guess Toyota are getting involved because they are very short of options.

Yeah, I guess if they really were serious about reforming and transforming the administration and marketing they would have had a clean sweep of all of the incumbents, especially those of seemingly dodgy character that may have been mentioned in the past!!

You would hope that the introduction of new blood might help but until the likes of Rain Man depart the sport will probably not benefit...

[RogerH]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

Is this 'new' entity a way of not opening the books to shareholders?

A cynic could say that. If you didn't want an investigation into the affairs of the old entity you just bury it and repackage things into a new entity ......

[on_to_it]

I think most of you are pretty on to it (pun intended).

The whole thing looks like "smoke and mirrors" to me. I don't know the new guys getting involved; I wish them all the best and hope they can affect change, but the other snake-oil salesmen are still there. That's a problem!

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by RogerH

A cynic could say that. If you didn't want an investigation into the affairs of the old entity you just bury it and repackage things into a new entity ......

Some say a cynic is an informed realistic in a clean raincoat

Nah, you're right I am being cynical.

[MalcolmC]

I'm encouraged to see Toyota getting a place on the board. I think they're 8 years into a 10 year contract to support the TRS, so possibly they're thinking to the future and looking to renew/extend the deal. For me the TRS was the standout class of the summer and I'd like to see its future gauranteed beyond 2014. As for the IRC joining, (doesn't the 'I' stand for Independant) they've been putting on some good racing with interesting cars, so why jeopardize that? Although, the next gen. NZV8s chassis' that have been built could find a home amongst the IRC classes.

[speedreader]

Originally Posted by Speedwayracer44
Poor Brian Laurence, does he know what hes got into here and does MPL realise that there isnt a V8SC team he hasnt worked for!

I know he's worked at DJR & SBR, what others ?

His main history in NZ was when he worked for Global Sports running the Peter Jackson International Motor Racing Series and hasnt done much since he lost his job when Global Sports went under. Dont think any of this was related to MNZ though ?

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz
The new (old) marketting manager will fit right in. Shake hands and count your fingers afterwards...

???
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[speedreader]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy
Stepping up to lead the charge are Toyota New Zealand’s general manager of finance John Fowke, South Island businessman and motorsport identity Ian (Inky) Tulloch and David Dovey, current president of the IRC, the independent race class series which has supported both the premier series and Toyota International Series this year.

It is good to see some good category & independant race event representation coming in to help balance the NZV8 promotion monopoly. Hope they are given sufficient voices to help steer the 'new company' forward otherwise it will definitely end up being just a 'smoke & mirrors' move to try & fool everyone

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by speedreader

It is good to see some good category & independant race event representation coming in to help balance the NZV8 promotion monopoly. Hope they are given sufficient voices to help steer the 'new company' forward otherwise it will definitely end up being just a 'smoke & mirrors' move to try & fool everyone

Well, we can only hope....

[Goat Boy]

Just seen this in the Herald - perhaps there is no hope then - but the issue at least is out in public at last.

Makes me laugh when Revhead talks about self-interested people wanting to line their pockets, and he is talking about the ST people when he should be talking about MNZ and TMC! But maybe that's a bit close to the bone for him...

[promax]

not sure if you can take Paul Lewis seriously as a journalist if he's getting his info from this thread. then again.. it's not the first time a herald scribe has "borrowed stories" from a forum lol

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

not sure if you can take Paul Lewis seriously as a journalist if he's getting his info from this thread. then again.. it's not the first time a herald scribe has "borrowed stories" from a forum lol

Ha ha, which one of us is he then....??

[promax]

well since i'm meant to be part of tmc or inky's long lost son.. it can't be me

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by promax

not sure if you can take Paul Lewis seriously as a journalist if he's getting his info from this thread. then again.. it's not the first time a herald scribe has "borrowed stories" from a forum lol

And you wonder why some of us more Southern types refer to some from the Auckland region as "Dorklanders"

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

And you wonder why some of us more Southern types refer to some from the Auckland region as "Dorklanders"

Or why we refer to all 15 of you who live down there as "inbred country bumpkins" - which is a good reason why you shouldn't be controlling NZ Motorsport...

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

well since i'm meant to be part of tmc or inky's long lost son.. it can't be me

Don't worry PM, we know who you are but your secret is safe nonetheless

I don't think anyone thinks you work for MNZ or TMC although you do a pretty good job of trying to sound like one