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29 Jun 2003, 17:25 (Ref:646251)
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29 Jun 2003, 17:29 (Ref:646253)
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Well, we'll see, but I am still not convincedit is brake testing.
***** NOT speaking in relation to that incident, but the concept in general, I don't have anything against a bit of brake testing in slow corners - all part of the game, to my mind. In the middle of fast straights, or corners... well, yes, then it is just nuts. |
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29 Jun 2003, 17:43 (Ref:646260)
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He was "thinking", I'm not letting David by [yes, it worked]...and yikes(!) how did he get so close(?) I'm not letting you by either Michael [yes, worked again].
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29 Jun 2003, 17:55 (Ref:646268)
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"The F1 stewarts exempt of fault to Alonso in the exit of track of
Coulthard The sport marshalls of the Grand Prix of Europe have reached the conclusion that there was reason no to take measures against Fernando Alonso by the exit of track of David Coulthard. The commissioners, who have acted of office, like in the collision between Michael Schumacher and Juan Pablo Montoya, after to have interrogated the pilots, to have reviewed the video of the race and sight the telemetry of the car of Alonso, have occurred by satisfied and have concluded with the necessity of not taking no action against the Spanish driver. In the data of the telemetry contributed by the Renault equipment, it has been possible to verify that Fernando Alonso had braked in the four previous turns in the same site that when the exit of track of David Coulthard took place." Last edited by fenderplm; 29 Jun 2003 at 17:56. |
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29 Jun 2003, 18:04 (Ref:646271)
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well there you have it.
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29 Jun 2003, 18:08 (Ref:646274)
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IMO, Alonso was one of the drivers of the day, to get his car to a 4th place points finish was incredible. DC only has himself to blame, he was going way to fast and wouldn't have made the corner had he got past anyway. DC nearly went up the back of FA on a number of occasions, especially into turn 1.
Martin Brundle commented that DC would either get past or go off and he was right. |
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That's so frickin uncool man!
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29 Jun 2003, 18:36 (Ref:646308)
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All hail to Saint Fernando!
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29 Jun 2003, 18:47 (Ref:646324)
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Get over it, man. That was five years ago. Still, there's no love as blind as the love of Schumacher. |
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29 Jun 2003, 19:23 (Ref:646376)
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I think some have been far too quick to criticise a young guy who clearly wanted to compete.
Obviously if that involves dangerous driving its out of order but protecting the racing line and driving defensively to maintain your position ain't no crime. I bet DC would have done the same to Alonso had it been the other way round! I think he could well have got past him, but for 'locking up' at crucial turns and getting impatient. Young blood 1 - Grumpy old man 0! Last edited by Hugh Jarce; 29 Jun 2003 at 19:23. |
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29 Jun 2003, 19:51 (Ref:646399)
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2. This is about DC and FA. Where did you get the idea I'm in this for MS?? |
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29 Jun 2003, 20:45 (Ref:646447)
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Alonso and Raikkonen made no mistakes in this race, MS and DC did do some mistakes. Hail to the young blood!
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29 Jun 2003, 20:54 (Ref:646456)
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DC must have known that Alonso was having problems, it had been going on for a few laps.
I think this is a sign of the desperation of DC. I reckon his seat is on the line, and boy does he know it! |
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29 Jun 2003, 21:15 (Ref:646487)
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DC made more than a few rokie mistakes and they kept him from getting past a guy who almost had a position taken away in one lap by a guy 10+ seconds behind. Alonso had a problem, coulthard had been offpace all weekend and seemed to be trying to slavage something I know who i think is to blame and probably could have made this decision without even seeing what happened (which I have)
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29 Jun 2003, 21:28 (Ref:646506)
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He just had to brake early because his brakes were pants.
DC misjudged it, but that wasn't really his fault he was just caught out by chosing to go to the inside at the same time Alonso did. One of those things, unfortunatly. It was scarey because DC was still on the throttle when Alonso braked. Alonso didn't do it early. Clearly IMHO. Sometimes incidents like this happen and the is nothing to be outraged by. I was disappointed in DC not getting past before this, but he did nothing wrong. And neither did Alonso. I can't see what all the fuss is about. Last edited by Adam43; 29 Jun 2003 at 21:30. |
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29 Jun 2003, 21:34 (Ref:646523)
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DC had plenty of opportunity to pass Alonso & didn't, i think DC should be quite dissapointed with his effort.
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30 Jun 2003, 01:01 (Ref:646661)
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erm Alonso said on dutch TV when asked if he brake tested Coulthard " Yeah ," and then sniggered. He also admitted lying to the stewards about having brake problems when Renault came out anmd said he didn't.
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30 Jun 2003, 01:07 (Ref:646667)
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Well, if that's the case, L-B, he's just ended his career, they'll never cut him a break on _anything_ again.
_If_ that's the case. |
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30 Jun 2003, 01:17 (Ref:646673)
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You sure L-B? It doesn't sound like Alonso to act like that, in terms of his manner at the interview... Plus, I think he is too intelligent to say things like that if it were true.
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30 Jun 2003, 01:29 (Ref:646681)
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Although i felt it could have very well have been a big accident had DC not avoided hitting Fernando, the Renault must have had a problem nearing the end of the race.
Explaining why MS got so close to the back of him so aggressively. |
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30 Jun 2003, 01:37 (Ref:646682)
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Alonso:
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The stewards wanted to know what happened," said Alonso. "I told them I was having a few problems and slowed down a bit earlier on that lap. But there were no serious problems with the tyres or the car." from Dutch TV - I don't have a link but had the same quote from two seperate sources this was after he was asked a direct did you brake test DC question and replied with a "Yeah" Last edited by L-B; 30 Jun 2003 at 01:40. |
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30 Jun 2003, 03:24 (Ref:646739)
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I think alonso-If he really knew he was slowing and having some sort of issue should have let DC past him- no sense in creating a disaster, lucky DC flew off course (where he may have saved in in the run off/ alternate route, so he flew off the track ended his race and career by not being able to pass a Renault and a Newbie.
Shame DC- but at those speeds I couldn't do better, that's why I drive Saloons and club races |
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30 Jun 2003, 06:34 (Ref:646772)
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HUH let DC by??? it's a race man and not club stuff! nah you drive saloons because you let too many people by...
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30 Jun 2003, 06:44 (Ref:646780)
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Well, I certainly have not heard what was the reasonging for slowing so early, however there better be a darn good one! It could have vrey very easily been similar to JV and Ralf's coming together in the 2001 Australian GP. Thankfully DC managed to not hit the Fernando and was lucky not to roll the car.
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30 Jun 2003, 07:41 (Ref:646828)
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Your quote sounds very strange and stupid of Alonso to deny brake test and than to announce it to the press. I have no points not to believe you but could it be something like wrong translation? I just can't believe F1 driver amy be so stupid. |
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30 Jun 2003, 07:50 (Ref:646834)
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Yep, it's unbelievably hard to translate a word like "Yeah"...
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