Arrows shoot themselves in the foot... - Page 2

Valve Bounce · 12 Feb 2002, 05:20 (Ref:214396)

Simmer down guys, simmer down. Don't forget I put a Malacca hex on Tom Walkinshaw - just watch that space, that used to be covered with hair. Also, he will have trouble raising Richard - honest.

av8rirl · 12 Feb 2002, 09:31 (Ref:214432)

Thanks VB. You couldn't give him VD too???

Valve Bounce · 12 Feb 2002, 09:52 (Ref:214437)

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Originally posted by av8rirl
Thanks VB. You couldn't give him VD too???

And how do you think that I put the hex on his Richard?

steve nielsen · 13 Feb 2002, 00:41 (Ref:215049)

Arrows are now even selling their 2001 parts on the net:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search...ery=verstappen

selling a 2001 front wing with nr 15 and saying it's from Jos Verstappens car?? :confused:

they are in bigger trouble than everyone thinks(Just as Jordan,BAR and Williams, but Arrows could be the next Prost)

Valve Bounce · 13 Feb 2002, 11:59 (Ref:215145)

Steve, I don't understand that last sentence:confused:

steve nielsen · 13 Feb 2002, 15:57 (Ref:215255)

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Originally posted by Valve Bounce
Steve, I don't understand that last sentence:confused:

the next Prost as in : Broke!(as in Arrows).

there are more teams in finacial problems, Arrows has the biggest problems, but even Williams, Jordan and BAR are having problems so it is rumoured.

enemy-ace · 13 Feb 2002, 18:00 (Ref:215319)

From Autosport.com
"We wanted a driver who was capable of winning races and in the past had won grands prix, because it will provide us with no hiding place," said Walkinshaw. "It will be up to us to achieve results."

"We wanted Frentzen because we feel we have a good car and we wanted to make the most of it," he added.

I remember Walkinshaw saying some time in the past that he wanted a front-line driver, obviously Verstappen wasn't it.
F1 is a "dog eat dog" world, if TW is willing to do what it takes (including defending any legal action taken against him)to become a stronger team, then I don't see any problem with what he's doing.

steve nielsen · 13 Feb 2002, 19:15 (Ref:215362)

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Originally posted by enemy-ace
From Autosport.com
"We wanted a driver who was capable of winning races and in the past had won grands prix, because it will provide us with no hiding place," said Walkinshaw. "It will be up to us to achieve results."

"We wanted Frentzen because we feel we have a good car and we wanted to make the most of it," he added.

I remember Walkinshaw saying some time in the past that he wanted a front-line driver, obviously Verstappen wasn't it.
F1 is a "dog eat dog" world, if TW is willing to do what it takes (including defending any legal action taken against him)to become a stronger team, then I don't see any problem with what he's doing.

so he sacks the driver who got the best race results and the only point for the team in 2001 and keeps the guy with the Red Bull backing, and I would'nt be surprised if there was a large german sponsor on the Arrows this season.

also remember that HHF won 1 GP for Williams in 1997, but his teammate won 7!

Jos never had the chances that HHF had...............

Mr V · 13 Feb 2002, 21:46 (Ref:215474)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen

Jos never had the chances that HHF had...............

maybe thats because the managers of the top teams thought that jos was not good enough??

steve nielsen · 13 Feb 2002, 22:12 (Ref:215505)

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Originally posted by mr v

maybe thats because the managers of the top teams thought that jos was not good enough??

No, because he has'nt got the luck other drivers have, in 1996, after TW broke his prommis to Jos and signed Damon Hill Jos had an agreement with Peter Sauber, but Ferrari wanted an Italian driver. In 1999 Jos signed a 3 year contract with Honda(1 year testdriver, 2 years as racedriver), the project was stopped when Harvey Postlewaite died

, and now finaly after 2 years of struggling with underpowered Arrows cars and scoring more points than his teammate in both years he is fired by the team just at the moment they have a good engine.

Mr V · 13 Feb 2002, 22:23 (Ref:215515)

i'm sorry steve, but i think that somebody makes their own luck in this world.........saying that he was unlucky is bo**ox, if he was good enough then he wouldn't be UNLUCKY enough to be cast aside!

can you imagine tgf or jpm beibg unlucky enough to be overlooked because another driver had more money for the team or whatever???

Valve Bounce · 13 Feb 2002, 22:28 (Ref:215516)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen

the next Prost as in : Broke!(as in Arrows).

there are more teams in finacial problems, Arrows has the biggest problems, but even Williams, Jordan and BAR are having problems so it is rumoured.

I didn't know the two Honda teams were in financial trouble, and I find it hard to believe that BMW/Williams have financial problems. I mean, is Frank paying Ralf too much money?
Where did you hear all this?
Common, spill the beans!!

Mr V · 13 Feb 2002, 23:12 (Ref:215554)

hey ther VB........what the hell is a Malacca Hex??? do you dabble in the occult??

Valve Bounce · 14 Feb 2002, 00:11 (Ref:215577)

Only against those who cross me.

EERO · 14 Feb 2002, 03:14 (Ref:215620)

I'm happy to go out on a limb here. HHF will pull off some surprises. He has alot to prove. The car isn't a dog, has a decent engine and Jaguar is in serious trouble. I will go as far as to predict at least one Podium for HHF in 2002 and several top six qualifying efforts.
I have a sense that Arrows will be the dark-horse in 2002 as Jordan were in 1999.

Valve Bounce · 14 Feb 2002, 04:23 (Ref:215637)

EERO, HHF would have to be a CLUTZ not to inherit at least one podium this year. However, I use the word inherit, because there appears to be more strong teams this year than before - Renault appears to be coming good, and the two Jordans will fight out track position with BAR, Jaguar and Arrows. It won't be easy, certainly not like when HHF won those two races at Jordan. So we are talking about wet weather conditions, prangs, massive retirement within the ranks and so on. On teh other hand, I did put a hex on Arrows, so HHF might actually sound like a chook instead.

Mr V · 14 Feb 2002, 09:36 (Ref:215718)

according to a report from autosport.com TW said that they hired HH-F because he was a proven winner and capable of getting the best out of the car.

http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.cfm?id=17950&series=5

steve nielsen · 14 Feb 2002, 15:57 (Ref:215902)

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Originally posted by mr v
according to a report from autosport.com TW said that they hired HH-F because he was a proven winner and capable of getting the best out of the car.

http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.cfm?id=17950&series=5

if driving second in the A22 (twice) is'nt getting everything out of a car I don't know what is.

EERO · 14 Feb 2002, 16:56 (Ref:215918)

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Originally posted by Valve Bounce
On teh other hand, I did put a hex on Arrows, so HHF might actually sound like a chook instead.

Mon chere, Bouncey, que est-ce que c'est un "chook"?

Actually, I'll go out out further and say that he'll EARN it!

SILVERS95 · 16 Feb 2002, 13:32 (Ref:217116)

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Originally posted by mr v
i'm sorry steve, but i think that somebody makes their own luck in this world.........saying that he was unlucky is bo**ox, if he was good enough then he wouldn't be UNLUCKY enough to be cast aside!

sorry Mr v .but i dissagree....i see the point your making here , but Steve is saying that Jos was very unlucky in his career at times in the past , and i have to say that the death of Dr Harvey Postlewaite happened a a terrible time in Jos's career , and in no way can anyone say that you make your own luck in that example......tell me how Jos could have avoided that one ( except for not signing with Honda ) which looked a very attractive deal at the time.

Mr V · 16 Feb 2002, 13:40 (Ref:217118)

whilst the un-timley death of harvey postlewaite was obviously a blow for jos's career, and very sad for F1 in general, it just goes to show, imo, honda's commitment to eentering F1 as a manufacturer, not just an engine supplier!

but my point is, that if jos was near the top of the tree so to speak then ferrari, williams, mclaren in fact any of the teams involved in this seasons championship would have signed him up!!.hh-f is a better driver and deserves the arrows seat more.

SILVERS95 · 16 Feb 2002, 13:56 (Ref:217127)

No man....your point was also that you said that You make your own luck !.....i agree with that if Jos was a top line driver then he would have been snapped up by another top team....i dont think Jos is a top line driver either , but i dont see how you can say that you make your own luck when someone dies which is 100% out of Jos's control.

Mr V · 16 Feb 2002, 14:03 (Ref:217133)

obviously the doc's death was out of jos's control, but if he was a better driver, then he wouldn't have been in that position in the first place.

not saying that honda would have been a bad team but it would still have been a midfield team for the few seasons that jos possibly would have been there!

SILVERS95 · 16 Feb 2002, 14:07 (Ref:217137)

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Originally posted by mr v
obviously the doc's death was out of jos's control,

so then your saying then .....that you cant always make your own luck !

Mr V · 16 Feb 2002, 14:22 (Ref:217147)

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Originally posted by SILVERS95

so then your saying then .....that you cant always make your own luck !

what i'm saying is that i've proberbly used the wrong phrase.very sorry about that, but then we all make mistakes, do we not?

however, it doesn't take away that jos is not good enough to be at the top level of F1

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