V8SC Reverse grid (merged) - Page 2

racer69 · 28 Nov 2005, 03:02 (Ref:1471807)

Penalising the winners and rewarding the losers is still the aim of the game in V8Supercars i see..........

Is it certain the grid for the third race will be based on the aggregate points from race 1 & 2?

Rombles1 · 28 Nov 2005, 04:05 (Ref:1471819)

We might actually get to see some racing, though.... (just ignore the fact that it is artificially contrived).

deeks6 · 28 Nov 2005, 04:31 (Ref:1471824)

we would see some racing if the points system was 10-6-4-3-2-1 and there were no ridiculous compulsory pit stops...

reverse grid racing is just so silly and a blight on TRUE competition that I cannot comprehend ... I wonder how many drive-throughs will be awarded to the likes of Lowndes, Ingall, Skaife and Murf as they try to get past all the idiots blocking?

FARCE!

dynamik gal · 28 Nov 2005, 06:45 (Ref:1471842)

In all honesty I cannot believe they are reverting back to this rubbish format.

It is NOT racing. As a punter I prefer to watch the fast ones battle it out at the FRONT. Not get taken out or held up unsportsmanlike by a driver or team that is up front due to the reverse format and wants its 15 seconds of fame. This has happened in the past and seen great drivers and fast teams end up smashed and starting R3 at the back of the grid because they are trying to get past front "back markers". All I can say is NO NO NO. If they are doing this to get the audiences and attendees more excited and produce "more exciting racing" - see sentence above in Red again!

pete55 · 28 Nov 2005, 07:13 (Ref:1471854)

I see the newspapers are not giving the idea a glowing report in todays issues.

mamba · 28 Nov 2005, 07:23 (Ref:1471857)

this will just mean that bargwarna will probly wipe half the feild out, like he did to murphy at phillip I. now thats danger in the making

peckstar · 28 Nov 2005, 07:35 (Ref:1471863)

what you talking about Mamba, this year? a previous year?

Placebo · 28 Nov 2005, 08:02 (Ref:1471872)

I can't believe it!
Hang on - yes I can. It's the sort of thing we should expect from this lot - INSANITY.

I was under the misconception that V8 Supercars Australia were trying to reduce costs. This hardly fits in with that policy.

It's one thing to want more overtaking - but the main reason we don't get much is many of the circuits aren't conducive to overtaking. So let's force them to. Then the more overtaking, the more contact (ie. damage) - but also more for the IPO to sort out - and that's going SO well!

It's a bloody nightmare, but apparently it's what we (the fans) want. Funny, that doesn't seem to be the general feeling on this thread!

sizzle · 28 Nov 2005, 08:04 (Ref:1471875)

Courtesy of foxsports.com.au

THE already blurred line between sport and entertainment is closer to being totally erased in V8 Supercar racing next year.

I think that says it all really.

pete55 · 28 Nov 2005, 09:49 (Ref:1471958)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sizzle

Courtesy of foxsports.com.au

THE already blurred line between sport and entertainment is closer to being totally erased in V8 Supercar racing next year.

I think that says it all really.

Glad i'm not the only one who thinks that way.

F J Nedos · 28 Nov 2005, 10:16 (Ref:1471983)

I've seen this fail first hand at the canberra rounds. Gee the teams loved it. It seemed to be one of the publicly listed reasons why canberra was scrapped.

Haha can you imagine the carneage at the gold coast...

mamba · 28 Nov 2005, 10:23 (Ref:1471989)

i mean that hes good at runing other compeditors of the track incluning him self off. so if he has a crap qual pos hell end up the front of the pack and thats when he causes problems. look at the weekends race footage on the island. hes pushing and bargding as norm. he is like a 6 year old in a lollie shop.

Razor · 28 Nov 2005, 10:35 (Ref:1471997)

Well, unlike you people, I am all for the idea. It would provide a new challange to the V8 Drivers, I think it has worked wonders in the HPDC Series, so lets see what happenes in 2006

Placebo · 28 Nov 2005, 10:40 (Ref:1472002)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Barton

Well, unlike you people, I am all for the idea. It would provide a new challange to the V8 Drivers, I think it has worked wonders in the HPDC Series, so lets see what happenes in 2006

Yeah Greg, it did such wonders that it almost decided the championship and caused such an uproar from team managers that the planned reverse grid race at Phillip Island was scrapped for a 2 race format.

peckstar · 28 Nov 2005, 11:09 (Ref:1472025)

fancy that a race deciding a championship, isnt thats whats is meant to happen.

Im happy to have the revesre grid races, tests a drivers abilities, what i am getting annoyed about is the all or nothing mentality. a few years ago (i think it was 2003) it was all about enduros (300km races) now its all about reverse grid, why not have combinations. then we see some drivers win round s who can carve through a field, we can see other drivers who can really stroke the car along and use good strategy and who are patients, we can see some straight out sprint races with and without CPS. (anyword on cPS for next year by the way).

Variety leads to enetertainment and we can switch it around based on the tracks abilities

racer69 · 28 Nov 2005, 11:12 (Ref:1472031)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Barton

Well, unlike you people, I am all for the idea. It would provide a new challange to the V8 Drivers, I think it has worked wonders in the HPDC Series, so lets see what happenes in 2006

You are all for contrived racing rewarding mediocrity and poor results and penalising success and victory, which is what motor racing is all about?

As this is the 'worlds best touring car championship', isn't the challenge to build a competitive car, qualify at the front and race for the victory? Why do they need a new challenge that will most likely get them wiped out of a race at least once during the season.

As for this crap about proving who the best driver is because they have to 'work their way to the front'

deeks6 · 28 Nov 2005, 11:12 (Ref:1472033)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mamba

i mean that hes good at runing other compeditors of the track incluning him self off. so if he has a crap qual pos hell end up the front of the pack and thats when he causes problems. look at the weekends race footage on the island. hes pushing and bargding as norm. he is like a 6 year old in a lollie shop.

Man, you must have had more of a skinfull than the blokes I drove home from the Island....
Are you talking about the Bargwanna that was run into the tyre wall, flipping over several times and having his car completely destroyed by Murf several years ago...or the Basrgwanna that has been run off the track by just about everyone in the last 2 years (mainly Dumb-Bell)????
He's a clean racer...get some glasses...

peckstar · 28 Nov 2005, 11:18 (Ref:1472039)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racer69

As this is the 'worlds best touring car championship', isn't the challenge to build a competitive car, qualify at the front and race for the victory? Why do they need a new challenge that will most likely get them wiped out of a race at least once during the season.

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No all that does is prove who has the most money. HRT proved that for 5 years.

Isn't the idea to prove your the best Touring Car Driver in Australia. If your always at the front all that proves is your team mate can provide you with a hot setup.

the reverse grid races give drivers the opportunity to prove they can drive and not just get the car going better than anyone else.

And remember only 20% of the points available on each weekend is up for grabs in the reverse grid race

Average Punter · 28 Nov 2005, 11:26 (Ref:1472050)

To play devil's advocate for a second, is it possible that the early release of this news is to gauge public reaction???

If it is, then the only solution is to email away to the AVESCO/V8SA goons and let them know you think the idea is a crock.

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/content...ault.asp?ind=M

v8man · 28 Nov 2005, 12:00 (Ref:1472090)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac

Totally insane!

Interesting that we have not heard from any team owners extolling the virtues of reverse grids ......

AVESCO (or whatever it is called this week) seems intent on giving the punters and teams exactly the opposite of what they do want.

So the powers-that-be are trying to contain costs ....... wait a minute, I've got it!!!! Let's introduce a grid format whereby there is a greater risk of huge prangs and car damage, thus forcing the teams to spend even more on repairs!

Anyway, aside from Barbagallo, Hidden Valley and Pukekohe, every round should be a single race .....

If you have a look at this
http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/la...nd=M&gid=21739

it shows that the HRT drivers (one of which is the owner) are all for the reverse grids.

Rombles1 · 28 Nov 2005, 12:30 (Ref:1472109)

Quote:

Originally Posted by v8man

If you have a look at this
http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/la...nd=M&gid=21739

it shows that the HRT drivers (one of which is the owner) are all for the reverse grids.

Great, something else for you guys to hate Skaifey for

pete55 · 28 Nov 2005, 13:06 (Ref:1472133)

He's just confirmed that he has lost it. When was the last time he has come through the field and had a good result.

v8race1 · 28 Nov 2005, 20:25 (Ref:1472457)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Average Punter

To play devil's advocate for a second, is it possible that the early release of this news is to gauge public reaction???

If it is, then the only solution is to email away to the AVESCO/V8SA goons and let them know you think the idea is a crock.

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/content...ault.asp?ind=M

Going by the interviews with Lowndes and Ingall, shown on channel 10 I get the feeling, teams and drivers are not going to allow this tripe to happen. Although they were very 'tongue in cheek' you could see they were very outspoken on the idea. Lets see what happens......

Methinks you are right on the money AP, so I guess we shall have a lot of 'VISITORS' to this forum shortly.

RotorFan · 28 Nov 2005, 23:04 (Ref:1472558)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rombles1

Yeah, but the guy who comes first in the first race will get 128pts for that, plus whatever he gets for race 2. The guy who comes last in the first race, then blasts away in the second race, gets 0 points for race 1, and 64 points for winning race 2. With the grid for race 3 being determined on aggregate, I'd rather go into race 3 with 128+ points than 64.

I think we can pencil in Mr Lowndes for the championship for next year - no-one can carve through the field like he can!

You're right - Skaife is even better at it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by v8man

If you have a look at this
http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/la...nd=M&gid=21739

it shows that the HRT drivers (one of which is the owner) are all for the reverse grids.

Well it must be the racer in Skaife talking. The team owner in him doesn't like it, surely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete55

He's just confirmed that he has lost it. When was the last time he has come through the field and had a good result.

Thats one of Skaife's strengths.

I am in two minds about this. I think as a driver there is nothing wrong with it - its a challenge. I don't know what about it exactly makes it no longer sport. Can anyone tell me how it means it isn't sport with reverse grid?

What I hate is the hypocrasy of it. AVESCO/TEGA said they want to reduce costs and that seems to be their focus, but then they come out with this. Its going to increase costs.

There has been so very much talk in the last couple years about being "buried in the pack" and getting tangled up with back markers. I never liked it and thought it was very disrespectful of the "slower" teams. Thats going to be the norm, now though.

One thing I like about it is that it might give some other teams a chance to shine like LMS and BJR. Those blokes have sponsors to please and it means that now more teams will get a chance at the spotlight which means more sponsor coverage and maybe more money for them. Maybe theres a chance that it will bridge the gap between the haves and have-nots in a communist sort of way.

Personally as a driver I would enjoy the challenge.

edit:
Also, as someone else mentioned... they better clear up the "racing room"/"b-pillar" rule for next year otherwise they'll be very busy indeed.

Chappelli · 29 Nov 2005, 00:20 (Ref:1472587)

IT'S BRILLIANT!!!!!!

Talk about action, talk about bang 'em crash 'em excitement!!!!

And think of all the fuss that the Ambrose/Murph stack has made.... imagine reverse grids... Championship leader after championship leader is taken out of contention in the reverse grid race. The Championship winner is the 'under dog' who's best finish all season was a 7th place in a crash marred wet race where all of the top 6 in the championship were taken out in the reverse grid race!!!!

Screw Days of Our Lives fro Drama, V8 Supercars could be the new day time soap, but with more crazy twisting plot lines than Water Rats, Shortland St and Neihbours combined!!!!

What are they thinking (or not as the case may be.)

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