Longbeach 2008. - Page 2

kmsport · 21 Jan 2006, 22:57 (Ref:1506331)

LongBeach is a long way to go to slam taxis into concrete...imagine the amount of damaged vehicles returning home

racer69 · 22 Jan 2006, 00:39 (Ref:1506370)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxy

I would have thought it was the other way around.
Maybe Ford and GM think it is a good way to showcase what they are doing with their brands outside of the US....
Surely it would'nt be bad publicity.

How would the heads of Ford or GM look at it, their Australian subsideries that are funding this class (with in effect their money) are paying for them to come back to America......

Remember when Marlboro North America didn't see the sense in funding Penske in CART as most of the races were outside 'their' territory in the US, so they 'suggested' Penske head to the IRL.

As an aside, would a V8 race in America have any interest to the casual Australian fan? Would they get up in the middle of the night to watch it?

storyline · 22 Jan 2006, 01:07 (Ref:1506390)

One other point against any US race - look what Ch 10 do with live US races now - delayed by 24 hours or more (wouldn't they love the (non) ratings of a live V8 SC race being broadcast at 3am in the morning?)

The serious question is - how long until some of the Australian sponsors get fed up with the advertising dollars being showcased in countries they don't have a material presence and get little or no coverage on the telecats here?

Robert Ryan · 22 Jan 2006, 01:22 (Ref:1506397)

As an aside, would a V8 race in America have any interest to the casual Australian fan? Would they get up in the middle of the night to watch it?
Yes.

Robert Ryan · 22 Jan 2006, 01:30 (Ref:1506401)

Like the AFL fans in Melbourne stayed up in the middle of the night. to watch Australia's progress in the Rugby World Cup. They were very "casual fans". I think there would be quite a few fans here who would be fascinated to see our "tin tops" in the US. I would be one, so would quite a few on this board as well.
Still we are discussing a rumour, that has very little chance of "flying"

risky · 22 Jan 2006, 05:14 (Ref:1506438)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Would they get up in the middle of the night to watch it?
Yes.

i already set the alarm clock for formula 1, champ cars and bikes so one more red eyed monday morning at work would not be a problem. i'd say channel 10 would look at telecasting the round the following weekend anyway.
let's go.

racer69 · 22 Jan 2006, 06:57 (Ref:1506451)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Like the AFL fans in Melbourne stayed up in the middle of the night. to watch Australia's progress in the Rugby World Cup. They were very "casual fans". I think there would be quite a few fans here who would be fascinated to see our "tin tops" in the US. I would be one, so would quite a few on this board as well.

Anyone who posts on a motor racing forum like this is not a casual fan, we are all enthusiasts.

The casual fans are the one's who don't usually follow, or only follow Bathurst or something, isn't it always said these are the most important people to target, not the enthusiasts or purists?

How many casual fans will catch the action a 3am on a Monday morning?

Robert Ryan · 22 Jan 2006, 07:13 (Ref:1506455)

How many casual fans will catch the action a 3am on a Monday morning?
Racer 69, I said that people on this forum, would wait up and see it, obviously we are hardcore fans. "Casual fans " would see it too..not a staggering number , but they would be interested as well. You obviously did not see the bit about the AFL "casual fans" or you chose to ignore that part of my post.

kmsport · 22 Jan 2006, 08:57 (Ref:1506474)

Sunday arvo race in LA would be mid morning Monday here, not the middle of the night

Robert Ryan · 22 Jan 2006, 09:34 (Ref:1506493)

Sunday arvo race in LA would be mid morning Monday here, not the middle of the night
Kmsport you are right...I think 10am here is about 3pm in California.

Rombles1 · 22 Jan 2006, 11:21 (Ref:1506532)

So we just need it to happen on a national long weekend.... then we can all stay home on Monday to watch it. Bring it on.

bazil · 22 Jan 2006, 22:45 (Ref:1506977)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Cant say Im surprised to have you jumping down my throat either just because I didnt jump on your bandwagon.

Maybe I should have put some money on aswell

Touche' D.R.T,

I had that one coming, you should of had some money on because you would have cleaned up!

racer69 · 23 Jan 2006, 01:40 (Ref:1507034)

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Originally Posted by Rombles1

So we just need it to happen on a national long weekend.... then we can all stay home on Monday to watch it. Bring it on.

Yes, live motorsport at 10am on a Monday morning in place of regular morning programming.........no chance.

Rombles1 · 23 Jan 2006, 02:49 (Ref:1507041)

Long weekends often have variations on regular programming.... why would GMA on a public holiday Monday be any more sacred than, for example, which country the V8's choose to race in?

storyline · 23 Jan 2006, 04:19 (Ref:1507051)

Simple - GMA has regular well paying advertisers/sponsors.

Robert Ryan · 23 Jan 2006, 05:29 (Ref:1507057)

Yes, sure, something like that Rombles, Ten would have a special program, maybe slightly delayed...makes sense to me.

kmsport · 23 Jan 2006, 09:44 (Ref:1507122)

hmm.......V8's...GMA?.......V8's.......GMA?
I just cannot see myself making my mind up there.

Rombles1 · 23 Jan 2006, 10:43 (Ref:1507155)

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Originally Posted by storyline

Simple - GMA has regular well paying advertisers/sponsors.

OK, so cross-promote. Do a special GMA from California - get Kerry-anne (Or whoever has replaced Bert) to co-host with whichever gumby 10 get to host the V8's that year. I'm sure a few of the drivers could be convinced to come in and flog some stuff off for Moira.... Bargs always seems up for a laugh. (Maybe Ingall can come in and sell his wedding dress - "only worn once, Moira". But thats a different story

)

The international shows seem to work well for the various "Footy Show" variants.

On the other hand, when does the new broadcast deal start? Isn't it from 2007? Well if this event is being talked about for 2007, GMA might not be an issue.

I'm kinda disturbed that this is being picked on as the biggest reason for it not to happen.

racer69 · 23 Jan 2006, 11:04 (Ref:1507176)

TV is a big reason for when and how things happen. TEN were relunctant to move a Saturday night comedy repeat or something in 2004 to show the championship deciding race from Eastern Creek in 2004, if they only caved at the last minute that time (and mainly because it was likely the championship winning race of the meeting), their not going to replace GMA for a race in America (nor are they likely to break into regular programming for the Bahrain races later this year on a Thursday and Friday evening)

What they'd likely do if a V8 race happened at Long Beach would be run the V8Supercar race on the Saturday of the meeting, and TEN would then delay it and show it at its regular time on a Sunday afternoon.

Rombles1 · 23 Jan 2006, 11:11 (Ref:1507180)

So that is basically the same way they show most Saturday races which take place in Australia anyway.... therefore going to America for a round wouldn't cause that much disruption to the broadcasting of the event anyway.... all the knockers (admittedly they could also be called "the realists") will need to find a new reason for it not to happen.

kmsport · 23 Jan 2006, 11:53 (Ref:1507238)

ok, I just cannot see it happening

rustyfan · 23 Jan 2006, 16:04 (Ref:1507407)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racer69

Where would they race at Pocono, as far as i know it doesn't contain a road coarse, and touring cars aren't built for the speeds of a superspeedway like Pocono.

Pocono does have an infield road course, and I know that IMSA raced there in the early 80's.

Robert Ryan · 23 Jan 2006, 19:28 (Ref:1507544)

all the knockers (admittedly they could also be called "the realists") will need to find a new reason for it not to happen
Rombles ..do not worry DRT; Storyline and Racer 69 will invent something.

cavvy · 23 Jan 2006, 20:19 (Ref:1507589)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxy

I would have thought it was the other way around.
Maybe Ford and GM think it is a good way to showcase what they are doing with their brands outside of the US....
Surely it would'nt be bad publicity.

How does promoting cars that you dont sell in a market help you in the very difficult conditions both Ford & GM are in - more likely to be seen by financial markets as gross irresponsibility, & that sort of publicity neither company need, especially now.

cavvy · 23 Jan 2006, 20:24 (Ref:1507593)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racer69

TV is a big reason for when and how things happen. TEN were relunctant to move a Saturday night comedy repeat or something in 2004 to show the championship deciding race from Eastern Creek in 2004, if they only caved at the last minute that time (and mainly because it was likely the championship winning race of the meeting), their not going to replace GMA for a race in America (nor are they likely to break into regular programming for the Bahrain races later this year on a Thursday and Friday evening)

What they'd likely do if a V8 race happened at Long Beach would be run the V8Supercar race on the Saturday of the meeting, and TEN would then delay it and show it at its regular time on a Sunday afternoon.

Are the Bahrain races scheduled for the local weekend (Thursday & Friday) or will the meeting be run based on the Aussie weekend?
Chasing local spectators or is a TV deal?

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