MSNZ & TMC - 'Wheels start to come off'

[Club racer]

Originally Posted by RogerH

I'm not too sure this is correct. If you look at this link on land speed records http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record you will find that the majority are taken over 1km. Some are over both 1km and 1 mile but the era of the Bluebird etc seem to only be over 1km. It definitely looks like the 1km distance is the more common option.

The mile hung about because lots of them were done in the USA and somewhere in a book I have read that in the LSR heyday, they wanted to keep it in mph because there was a better popular understanding of whatever the speed of sound was in miles per hour than km - and 300, 400, 500 etc mph were increments based on original measurements - ie the first lsr's were in mph. I am pretty sure both the mile and km records have been around for a hell of a long time though. If you look in the right hand column of Roger's link, you will see notes relating to 'landmark achievements' and most refer to landmark mph achievements. My take on it is that the record holding car was always the fastest, but sometimes it just looked more impressive in kmh than mph as well, hence the occasional use of the km. What is Bonneville Speed Week measured in - got to be mph surely?

[RogerH]

Originally Posted by Club racer

.... hence the occasional use of the km. ....

I don't think it was the "occasional" use of the km. Of the listed speed records 26 are over the 1 km and 16 are over the 1 mile. Appears from this that the 1km record is much more prevalent.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by racehard

If I recall over the many years I have seen this attempted, Eddie is the only person to get it wrong; don't believe you can blame all on the msnz muppets......how did the others work it out ??? a runway would be the 1st place to think about for an atempt until you found out it was to short for the mile....most m/sport people know a drag strip is quarter mile and the land speed record is a mile !!!!!!!

goes along with Owens reckoning that the record couldn't be done on runway. i cannont recall the full details of the first interview when Owen made comments about the lambo's cage,if there was any mention of the proposed venue, but one would think that Eddie would have done his full homework before the attempt to make sure everything was in check and was gonna have a decent nudge at ALL records pertaining to timed distance??

or did excitement and delusions of granduer get in the way ??

[Goat Boy]

I was thinking about this today, it may actually be harder to break the mile record than the km (with limited space) as the average speed would start from a longer distance, meaning you would have to start from faster or else your average would be lower. If you see what I mean.

[promax]

it's taken you this long to work it out???????

[Sommersby]

Originally Posted by promax

it's taken you this long to work it out???????

To be fair Julian, had he had the track and Freeman held his speed from over the km for another 6 seconds he'd have done it. But as Owen could have told him there isn't enough runway anywhere in NZ. If there was I doubt anyone would have ever considered Goudies Rd.

Still the event permit from MSNZ did include the Castrol Trophy on the list of titles being contested, and he was billed over $5k by MSNZ just for it to be sanctioned.

So who dropped the ball?

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

it's taken you this long to work it out???????

Not having thought about it until today, yes. Some of us have other things to do with our lives.

If you had a slightly longer runway it wouldn't matter, it all depends on how far off terminal velocity you were.

[Sommersby]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Not having thought about it until today, yes. Some of us have other things to do with our lives.

If you had a slightly longer runway it wouldn't matter, it all depends on how far off terminal velocity you were.

I've heard he hit 380ish near the end. So space and ability (he admitted to feeling like he was starting to struggle to see...'greying out') were the only things that were going to stop him claiming the mile. Moot, obviously.

[nistfan]

Originally Posted by promax

it's taken you this long to work it out???????

BUT not as long as its taken to build this Toyota NZV8 thing, and we are still waiting for any real news on progress, if indeed there has been.
According to my Calender January 2013 is pretty Dam Close

[promax]

Originally Posted by nistfan

BUT not as long as its taken to build this Toyota NZV8 thing, and we are still waiting for any real news on progress, if indeed there has been.
According to my Calender January 2013 is pretty Dam Close

you really are just a one trick pony, eh?

this conversation isn't about st's or having a dig at NZV8s so be a good little boy and run along now

[promax]

Originally Posted by Sommersby

To be fair Julian, had he had the track and Freeman held his speed from over the km for another 6 seconds he'd have done it. But as Owen could have told him there isn't enough runway anywhere in NZ. If there was I doubt anyone would have ever considered Goudies Rd.

Still the event permit from MSNZ did include the Castrol Trophy on the list of titles being contested, and he was billed over $5k by MSNZ just for it to be sanctioned.

So who dropped the ball?

i think Owen did mention that which is what makes Owen's record so damn impressive! it's also why no one has gone after Owen's trophy. using Ohakea for a speed run is hardly a new idea. Ray Williams did a couple of runs in a High Octane video several years ago. if there was enough room for Ray to take the Castrol Trophy back off Owen at Ohakea.. he would've tried it years ago.

btw if my name was Julian.. i'd probably be pushing the MX6 classs

[flyingduck]

What's the mx6 class?

[Mr Revhead]

MX5's raced by a bunch of guys at Manfield. Might take off in other areas.

[Icarus_nz]

Like scca miata then. Cool. Another low level spec class. Fun and affordable. For the drivers.

[flyingduck]

Been to a couple of trackdays with guys that run mx5s they seem to handle well through the corners.

[MacrosNZ]

They're fun to drive too...

[promax]

Originally Posted by flyingduck

What's the mx6 class?

sorry typo.. make that mx5

[Racer Mike]

Talked to a friend yesterday who is one of the very few kiwi drivers trying to do Toyota Racing Series and he was telling me no TV package has been confirmed asd yet.

They dont know what channel is airing the coverage but it maybe a Sky/Prime deal from what we hear. Unusual for TRS not to be orgnaised by now.

[Mr Revhead]

I think the issue with Trs and tv is the cost tv want. Last time a spoke to a trs official (a while ago now) they told me tvnz just wanted too much

[Evomike]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

I think the issue with Trs and tv is the cost tv want. Last time a spoke to a trs official (a while ago now) they told me tvnz just wanted too much

I don't think it so much about wanting too much, its about the amount they need to be able to put it on. They are in business to make money, to do that they need people watching, so that advertisers will want to pay for airtime while its on, the mere fact that NZ motorsport has to pay to get on should give you an indication that the viewer numbers, and therefore ad revenue is not high enough.

As with V8SC TV3 pay for the right to broadcast but unfortunately viewer numbers have not been good enough and from my understanding has cost them a lot of money. A lot of people have harrangued Shaun and TV3 over the coverage and how some races are on late, but at the end of the day, what do you expect when it's free?

I love my motorsport but we just have to get real about things. Maybe we will see a dedicated motorsport channel on Sky soon. Maybe Shaun could run it, now that would be good.

[Club racer]

I see that NZV8s are offering free entry to all runners.

However many there are nor not, I wonder who is paying for those entries? Unless inidcated otherwise I would say it is safe to assume that's another chunk of my license payers money down the tubes. Nice.

[Racer Mike]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

I think the issue with Trs and tv is the cost tv want. Last time a spoke to a trs official (a while ago now) they told me tvnz just wanted too much

Rev, what are you on about or are you still in the dark ages. TV dont ask for money to air programmes, they at worst air them at no cost but the programme must be produced by someone and thats where the cost is. The other option is they pay for the content if its good enough and lets face it TVNZ dont have a motorsport programme anymore.

The last thing is that TVNZ will have nothing more to do with MSNZ due to the efforts and bullying from Short, Cooper and Fine. The three of them have made it very difficult for any network to deal with MSNZ again which ultimately effects us all.

[nistfan]

Originally Posted by Club racer

I see that NZV8s are offering free entry to all runners.

However many there are nor not, I wonder who is paying for those entries? Unless inidcated otherwise I would say it is safe to assume that's another chunk of my license payers money down the tubes. Nice.

They must feel the numbers are going to be pretty low then if they already have to offer that incentive. The other classes should be holding there hand out at the same time.

Its going to be pretty interesting then come 30 November how many entries they in fact do have, and with Free entry Drivers may just miss the odd round, ie South Island Drivers not coming North if there are any.

Didnt they offer some $1000 last year just to turn up?

[Mr Revhead]

Originally Posted by Racer Mike

Rev, what are you on about or are you still in the dark ages. TV dont ask for money to air programmes, they at worst air them at no cost but the programme must be produced by someone and thats where the cost is. The other option is they pay for the content if its good enough and lets face it TVNZ dont have a motorsport programme anymore.

The last thing is that TVNZ will have nothing more to do with MSNZ due to the efforts and bullying from Short, Cooper and Fine. The three of them have made it very difficult for any network to deal with MSNZ again which ultimately effects us all.

As I said it was a while ago. And despite what you think or say, the specific reason given was tvnz wanted too much. Maybe
hthe production was done by tvnz then, I don't know.

Anyway, single seaters have never been tv or crowd favourites in nz

[Racer Mike]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

As I said it was a while ago. And despite what you think or say, the specific reason given was tvnz wanted too much. Maybe
hthe production was done by tvnz then, I don't know.

Anyway, single seaters have never been tv or crowd favourites in nz

Well hang up your negative pen then and stop commenting on them if you feel that way and get some more upto date information next time.