MSNZ & TMC - 'Wheels start to come off' - Page 59

raymond · 17 Feb 2013, 21:35 (Ref:3206360)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Yep heard the same thing. Turning out to be a right pack of scoundrels at MSNZ.

I personally take offence to that comment. Yourself and Nistfan are STfans...I guess I am as well, and a rally fan etc etc.
Fortunately the gossip that you tend to believe is not interferring with an eventual positive outcome

Goat Boy · 17 Feb 2013, 22:01 (Ref:3206373)

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Originally Posted by raymond

I personally take offence to that comment. Yourself and Nistfan are STfans...I guess I am as well, and a rally fan etc etc.
Fortunately the gossip that you tend to believe is not interferring with an eventual positive outcome

I hope you're right, Crunch. Is there anything that you are able to report from Friday's meeting at MSNZ?

raymond · 17 Feb 2013, 22:09 (Ref:3206381)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I hope you're right, Crunch. Is there anything that you are able to report from Friday's meeting at MSNZ?

Not on a public forum.
It was a Friday and Saturday meeting, but I was only there for Friday because of my commitments to Matt Lockwood at HD. Spent Sat and SUn there.

What I can say is that the rumour that fridays exec meeting was to initiate the shutdown of Supertourers, which was up and down the pitlane like widefire, was crap! Whoever started and/or spread that one should be ashamed of themselves.
Fridays Exec meeting was actually quite the reverse IN MY OPINION.

Goat Boy · 17 Feb 2013, 22:10 (Ref:3206383)

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Originally Posted by raymond

Not on a public forum.
It was a Friday and Saturday meeting, but I was only there for Friday because of my commitments to Matt Lockwood at HD. Spent Sat and SUn there.

What I can say is that the rumour that fridays exec meeting was to initiate the shutdown of Supertourers, which was up and down the pitlane like widefire, was crap! Whoever started and/or spread that one should be ashamed of themselves.
Fridays Exec meeting was actually quite the reverse IN MY OPINION.

Wow, can't say I'd heard that one, glad it wasn't true then!

NZSTfan · 17 Feb 2013, 22:19 (Ref:3206387)

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Originally Posted by raymond

I personally take offence to that comment. Yourself and Nistfan are STfans...I guess I am as well, and a rally fan etc etc.
Fortunately the gossip that you tend to believe is not interferring with an eventual positive outcome

I dont really care if you take offence to that comment crunch (i mean that respectfully). In my view MSNZ are not doing any favours at all for the sport. However i do appreciate you being up front on here as a rep of the organisation

And just to confirm, i am a motorsport fan, not just ST's. I too like rally, and i am glad that you enjoyed the ST's

MSNZ should have done what they suggested they were going to do and that was to sanction the series by R1......didn't happen though did it?

You mention an 'eventual positive outcome'.....what is this outcome raymond?

raymond · 17 Feb 2013, 22:46 (Ref:3206400)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

I dont really care if you take offence to that comment crunch (i mean that respectfully). In my view MSNZ are not doing any favours at all for the sport. However i do appreciate you being up front on here as a rep of the organisation

And just to confirm, i am a motorsport fan, not just ST's. I too like rally, and i am glad that you enjoyed the ST's

MSNZ should have done what they suggested they were going to do and that was to sanction the series by R1......didn't happen though did it?

You mention an 'eventual positive outcome'.....what is this outcome raymond?

Obviously it would be a fully sanctioned NZ Touring Car Championship.
My personal opinion, but in reality the only sensible option.

Please note I am sailing very close to the wind by putting my opinion here
.
I cannot give more detail

Goat Boy · 17 Feb 2013, 22:52 (Ref:3206402)

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Originally Posted by raymond

Obviously it would be a fully sanctioned NZ Touring Car Championship.
My personal opinion, but in reality the only sensible option.

Please note I am sailing very close to the wind by putting my opinion here
.
I cannot give more detail

Thanks for fronting on this, appreciate you can't speak freely whilst these things are under discussion.

Pretty sure most of us here just want the thing sorted, and soon. There may be a few that would rather have their finger nails extracted than see it happen, but hopefully they are not running the show at MNZ.

And I am being hopeful here and trying to see the good in people, as my wife tells me I have to...

nistfan · 17 Feb 2013, 23:02 (Ref:3206409)

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Originally Posted by raymond

Not on a public forum.
It was a Friday and Saturday meeting, but I was only there for Friday because of my commitments to Matt Lockwood at HD. Spent Sat and SUn there.

What I can say is that the rumour that fridays exec meeting was to initiate the shutdown of Supertourers, which was up and down the pitlane like widefire, was crap! Whoever started and/or spread that one should be ashamed of themselves.
Fridays Exec meeting was actually quite the reverse IN MY OPINION.

Any chance of seeing the minutes, as per a post from last week and Minutes from January Meeting with SuperTourers?

NZSTfan · 17 Feb 2013, 23:16 (Ref:3206417)

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Originally Posted by raymond

Obviously it would be a fully sanctioned NZ Touring Car Championship.
My personal opinion, but in reality the only sensible option.

Please note I am sailing very close to the wind by putting my opinion here
.
I cannot give more detail

I appreciate your info here raymond. You are right, the only sensible option is for MSNZ to sanction the series, and create a feeder via TL or TLX cars.

Your personal opinion is the same as mine

Good on you for posting here and sailing close to the wind.

promax · 17 Feb 2013, 23:33 (Ref:3206427)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

I appreciate your info here raymond. You are right, the only sensible option is for MSNZ to sanction the series, and create a feeder via TL or TLX cars.

Your personal opinion is the same as mine

Good on you for posting here and sailing close to the wind.

is there really a need for a feeder class? it seems like it.. if you got the cash .. you get a car.

Goat Boy · 17 Feb 2013, 23:49 (Ref:3206435)

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Originally Posted by promax

is there really a need for a feeder class? it seems like it.. if you got the cash .. you get a car.

Yes I think that is the wrong term, "Support Class Which Doesn't Go As Fast And Is Cheaper To Run" might be more appropriate

As you say, you can be 18 with a rich dad and you can get in the top class so it's not ever going to be about qualifying to get in.

NZSTfan · 17 Feb 2013, 23:56 (Ref:3206439)

Are those TL cars actually cheaper to run?

I dont know so am curious to find out

raymond · 18 Feb 2013, 00:54 (Ref:3206474)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Are those TL cars actually cheaper to run?

I dont know so am curious to find out

Thats like asking how long is the average piece of string....
Like any motorsport they can be "cheap" to run (definition of cheap may differ between people) but people will always spend more than they possibly need to...

They should be

NZSTfan · 18 Feb 2013, 04:16 (Ref:3206531)

I heard that in some cases the engines for TL cars are 'freshened up' up to 3 times a year at 50k a pop.

Would that be right or is that just pitlane BS?

Chappelli · 18 Feb 2013, 04:42 (Ref:3206534)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

Who from MSNZ is picking a fight with tv3?

You’ll note the bit in my post that says “et al” an abbreviation for et alii, Latin for “and others”...

Think of it as a tidy was of suggesting that while most people her post under pseudonyms, it’s not hard to figure which direction most are coming from......

As they say, perception is reality. So which direction would you perceive the fight picking pseudonyms are coming from?

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

I wonder what the reaction would be if some from MSNZ was found to be acting in the way Nigel has been

Hmmmm.... Well, one is a privately owned media company. The other describes themselves using words like “justice”, “fairness” and “social responsibility”...... I don’t know about you, but I suspect the reaction would (and should) be a little different....

socram · 18 Feb 2013, 05:58 (Ref:3206556)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Yes I think that is the wrong term, "Support Class Which Doesn't Go As Fast And Is Cheaper To Run" might be more appropriate

As one who craves variety in the grids, I have no problem with feeder classes, but I don't want to see them on the same programme as the main event! As has been posted 100s of times before, watching three grids of Falcodores, plus a three or four other one make grids is a recipe guaranteed to drive the spectators away - and it has.

Why do you think CMC are so popular at these Tier 1 meets? They are dramatic and there is variety and as with many classes featuring older cars, they get out of shape a fair bit, as they don't corner as if on rails.

Part of the appeal of Speedway is that although the cars look identical, they are dramatic to watch. A lot of modern stuff is lacking in drama AND variety.

DangerousMomentsHere · 18 Feb 2013, 06:08 (Ref:3206563)

Hey Guys,

Can someone please tell me what TL and TLX stands for in the NZV8's?

Thanks.
Richie

Swedish Brick · 18 Feb 2013, 06:10 (Ref:3206564)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

I heard that in some cases the engines for TL cars are 'freshened up' up to 3 times a year at 50k a pop.

Would that be right or is that just pitlane BS?

I'd be surprised if that figure wouldnt buy you two complete ready to run engines with change

smokin'joe · 18 Feb 2013, 06:14 (Ref:3206565)

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Originally Posted by DangerousMomentsHere

Hey Guys,

Can someone please tell me what TL and TLX stands for in the NZV8's?

Thanks.
Richie

could be wrong, but:
TL is the old schedule Trans Am Lite that evolved from the existing Tranzam Class that was top dog at Teir one many moons ago.

TLX is the newer space-framed version as currently campaigned by 3 teams. what the 'X' stands for, unsure, extreme?

NZSTfan · 18 Feb 2013, 06:18 (Ref:3206566)

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Originally Posted by DangerousMomentsHere

Hey Guys,

Can someone please tell me what TL and TLX stands for in the NZV8's?

Thanks.
Richie

Hi Richie, welcome to the forum. I'm not the best to answer this Q, but my take on it is that they are different specs.

TL is the older Falcons and Commodores that are actual road cars that have been modded for racing

TLX is the new NZV8 formula which is based around a common tube frame chassis (space frame) with a 6 spd sequential box (NZ made) and factory sourced engine. The idea being that any similar size sedan can be adapted to fit the space frame, and they run engines particular to that manufacturer.

No doubt you will get better info from others as to what the acronyms actually mean

promax · 18 Feb 2013, 06:24 (Ref:3206569)

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Originally Posted by DangerousMomentsHere

Hey Guys,

Can someone please tell me what TL and TLX stands for in the NZV8's?

Thanks.
Richie

Tranzam Lights video.. the class NZV8s evolved from

raymond · 18 Feb 2013, 08:34 (Ref:3206605)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

I heard that in some cases the engines for TL cars are 'freshened up' up to 3 times a year at 50k a pop.

Would that be right or is that just pitlane BS?

Your second option.

Goat Boy · 18 Feb 2013, 08:37 (Ref:3206607)

Which bit?

Jerico · 18 Feb 2013, 08:58 (Ref:3206615)

A little off topic, but any word Sommersby on the rumour SC is going to Sky Sport?

raymond · 18 Feb 2013, 09:04 (Ref:3206617)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Which bit?

The BS bit is correct.

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