Steve Williams Group A Touring Car, Help needed

groupnxu1 · 27 Feb 2005, 11:10 (Ref:1237136)

In need of some help, does anyone out there have any photo's or race information on Steve Williams Holton Spares sponsered VK Group A touring car from 1987/1988.

I am in the process of gathering information for this vehicle so that I can obtain a CAMS Historic certificate of desciption and Historic log book.

Steve ran this car at a limited number of AMSCAR and ATCC rounds and from my research so far i can't seem to find to many mentions or photo's at these meetings only enrty information, below are a few meetings that the car competed at and hopefully one of you out there may remember the car and hopefully have some info that would help in my application for Historic status.

The car competed:

Round 9: July 5 1987, Oran Park ATCC.
Round 6: May 22 1988, Lakeside ATCC.
Round 7: May 29 1988, Sandown ATCC.
Round 8: June 19 1988, Amaroo Park ATCC.
Round 9: July 17 1988, Oran Park ATCC.

I also believe it ran at 3 Amscar rounds during this period.

and then it was entered for the Toohey's 1000 in 1988 but DNQ due to Major engine drama's and lack of practice qualifying time not to mention the uproar over the 130% World Touring car Group A rules.

The car today is still in it's original levery from the Tooheys 1000 in 1988 in need of a liitle bit of paint touch up where the daygo orange has faded over the past 17 years.

I can be contacted on e-mail dinnes@bigpond.net.au

pete55 · 27 Feb 2005, 11:25 (Ref:1237156)

Dylan, is that the car that Ken Matthews had?

**GTRMagic** · 27 Feb 2005, 11:27 (Ref:1237161)

If I remember rightly... it is an ex-Finnigan shell, filled with bits and pieces from Mike Burgmann's destroyed 1985 Commodore....

pete55 · 27 Feb 2005, 11:36 (Ref:1237169)

I thought the only other car than the HRT one that ran fluro paint was the Ken Matthews car.

groupnxu1 · 27 Feb 2005, 11:50 (Ref:1237185)

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Dylan, is that the car that Ken Matthews had?

Pete55, The car that Ken Mathews raced with Tony Mulvihill in floro Orange had various updates and finished it's life as a Walkinshaw.

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If I remember rightly... it is an ex-Finnigan shell, filled with bits and pieces from Mike Burgmann's destroyed 1985 Commodore....

GTRMagic, When i spoke to Steve some years ago i recall him saying that the Shell came from came from Barry Graham, but i have also been told otherwise so im not quite sure where it came from now all i know is that the cage was installed by Bond Roll Bars and is dated 1987 as for the bits i believe that some of the parts came from finnigan, I had alway's wondered what the story was with the fuel bladder as it has GRICE 1986 on it but after reading some info in one of the Bathurst Books the car looks like it was pulled up at scurtineering for not having an exp date so maybe they purcahsed it of Les Small over that weekend?

cornermsport · 28 Feb 2005, 01:57 (Ref:1237720)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

If I remember rightly... it is an ex-Finnigan shell, filled with bits and pieces from Mike Burgmann's destroyed 1985 Commodore....

This is what i believe too!!

As i have mentioned in the other old group c/a link, being involved with the Mobile Concrete Pumping era, i don't believe the shell would have come from Barry Graham, as he never has a shell.

I have discussed your car with others, and the belief was that the Williams family had a connection with the Burgmann's, and he obtained all the spares after the accident, and the colours of the shell initially looks very much like Finnigans

groupnxu1 · 28 Feb 2005, 03:41 (Ref:1237735)

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Originally Posted by cornermsport

This is what i believe too!!

As i have mentioned in the other old group c/a link, being involved with the Mobile Concrete Pumping era, i don't believe the shell would have come from Barry Graham, as he never has a shell.

I have discussed your car with others, and the belief was that the Williams family had a connection with the Burgmans, and he obtained all the spares after the accident, and the colours of the shell initially looks very much like Finnigans

Does anybody happen to know how i can get into contact with Terry to find out if he remembers anything.

I have since been sent some info from williamdale jr that suggests that Mal Rose co drove with Steve, And seeing that Mal was Mike Burgmans co driver the year of that fatal crash it does make a conection with the Burgmans possible, I am yet to contact Mal to find out what he remembers.

Thanks for the info guy's and keep it coming it all helps and is greatly needed

Cheers

Dylan

Beatcha · 28 Feb 2005, 09:00 (Ref:1237837)

I believe the spares for Burgmans car are used in this car, but i know that none of the parts on the crashed car made it onto this car. Burgman had a rather large range of spares for the car considering it was a low budget racer.

rdmdog · 28 Feb 2005, 09:05 (Ref:1237841)

Have you spoken to Steve at all GroupnXU1?

groupnxu1 · 28 Feb 2005, 09:14 (Ref:1237850)

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Originally Posted by rdmdog

Have you spoken to Steve at all GroupnXU1?

About 2 years ago when i first purchased the car, I actully rang him to see if the original log book had ever turned up as when the car was purchased by a friend of mine in about 1992, Steve didn't know where the log book was and thought that Tim Shenkin (CAMS) may have held onto it after Bathurst in 1988, We had a chat about the car and i got some info off him back then about 2 weeks later Steve rang me and said the Log Book had apeared so as you can imagine i was rapt, He sent it to me via post but it never turned up!!!

cornermsport · 1 Mar 2005, 00:19 (Ref:1238534)

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Originally Posted by groupnxu1

Does anybody happen to know how i can get into contact with Terry to find out if he remembers anything.

A long shot could be Mathew Hunt at Surflow Exhausts, Ingleburn N.S.W.

He has Terry's old VS Supercar so he may have contact details.

Wayne Kerr · 2 Mar 2005, 07:49 (Ref:1239738)

Bob Stevens did a lot of work on Burgmans car, so he would be a bloke to call.

Does Terry Finnigan still have his workshop just off Fairfield rd?

**GTRMagic** · 2 Mar 2005, 07:53 (Ref:1239740)

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Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr

Bob Stevens did a lot of work on Burgmans car, so he would be a bloke to call.

Does Terry Finnigan still have his workshop just off Fairfield rd?

No, sadly

groupnxu1 · 5 Apr 2005, 06:07 (Ref:1270478)

bump

chooky · 5 Apr 2005, 10:55 (Ref:1270721)

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Originally Posted by groupnxu1

Nice pic of the Starion in the back ground, That also failed to qualify in 88 as well

groupnxu1 · 5 Apr 2005, 22:53 (Ref:1271321)

it was a nice looking starion, I beleive that it is now owned by Dean Croswell, ex V8 supercar racer

chooky · 6 Apr 2005, 04:40 (Ref:1271451)

Thats right, its mine
Hope to give it a run at oran park this month

David Towe · 8 Apr 2005, 22:50 (Ref:1273732)

At the Touring Car Festival Chooky?

Group'C' · 8 Apr 2005, 23:38 (Ref:1273743)

Welcome aboard Chooky (Dean). I heard you had made the move to the Sunny states

Group'C' · 8 Apr 2005, 23:46 (Ref:1273744)

I read some were that the Williams car was built in 86.

If the car was Silver (which it seems to be by the other pic) it would seem to be the first of the Finnigan Vk's (Houn Valley Springs)which Terry stopped using after one of the races at Surfers in 87 I think. He built a new car for Bathurst 87 so the old car would have just been a shell.

Unsure if it was Damaged at the Surfers race, still trying to find a race report which mention's it

chooky · 9 Apr 2005, 08:00 (Ref:1273827)

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Originally Posted by David Towe

At the Touring Car Festival Chooky?

Yes

rdmdog · 7 May 2005, 23:27 (Ref:1295311)

Wasnt the silver car crunched at Bathurst up the top?

Also Welcome Chooky,

groupnxu1 · 9 May 2005, 00:03 (Ref:1296116)

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Originally Posted by Group'C'

I read some were that the Williams car was built in 86.

If the car was Silver (which it seems to be by the other pic) it would seem to be the first of the Finnigan Vk's (Houn Valley Springs)which Terry stopped using after one of the races at Surfers in 87 I think. He built a new car for Bathurst 87 so the old car would have just been a shell.

Unsure if it was Damaged at the Surfers race, still trying to find a race report which mention's it

I spoke with CAMS the other day to see it the Chassis number on the car and on there records for log book application matched any of Terry's cars and it didn't match so i think that rules out the theory that it may have been one of Terry's shells.

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