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12 Dec 2003, 09:22 (Ref:809909)
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Trailers and Transporters!
I have a twin axle trailer that I use to transport my car on, but it isn't ideal because the bed is a little high making it VERY tight to get the car on and off (it doesn't tilt other than on the jockey wheel). It's also VERY heavy duty which makes it a bit difficult to move due to its' weight.
I was just wondering what preferences people have over the whole topic of transporting race cars. I have seen everything from a car dolly towed by a family saloon to the mega bucks transporters. What combos do people use? Is there any preference on trailers from ye olde faithful Brian James? |
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12 Dec 2003, 09:38 (Ref:809917)
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Join the club, mines the same and I know exactly what you mean! The upside is that these trailers tens to tow better.
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12 Dec 2003, 09:40 (Ref:809921)
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I run a four wheel trailer towed by a 4x4.
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12 Dec 2003, 10:02 (Ref:809955)
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If you don't have much in the way of kit, a two wheel trailer is better.. if you can get the all up weight down to under 15 cwt you don't need brakes.
Caravan folk suggest about 120lbs tow bar weight, if you aim for about twice that it will tow like a dart at any speed the tow car will do. |
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12 Dec 2003, 10:38 (Ref:809988)
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I use a Volvo FH16 520 with a tri axle bespoke double deck trailer. Trailer cost about £200k with the tractor unit about £90k. It's lasted about 7 years so far with only the paint needing changing! It will carry 3 cars and all the spares although I do have another similar set up to carry the mobile machine shop and electronics and gearbox/hydraulic spares, oh yes and another with all the garage set up kit in......
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12 Dec 2003, 10:43 (Ref:809990)
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so you it fair to assume you are not a clubbie then Burton!!!!!
I have a double trailer Brian James made for me which is excellant and I tow it with a Mitsubushi Animal (the pikey twin cab truck)I can happily tow it at motorway speeds and have no complaints. Given the money we pour into the racecars it seemed sensible to have a reliable and safe trailer! Brian James trailers are not cheap but they do keep their value |
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12 Dec 2003, 10:48 (Ref:809992)
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Depends on which club we're talking about!!!
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12 Dec 2003, 10:49 (Ref:809994)
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Burton....Sure you do, I'll bet you get the guys in the white coats who look after you to clean them for you as well!!
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12 Dec 2003, 11:18 (Ref:810023)
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I've had a few trailers in my relatively short career. The first one was a 'home brew' effort (not my home, I might add), which was made out of the steel 'ramps' that jeeps use to get out of sand. That was quite a capable trailer and I actually miss it, but I wanted something lighter, as I was pulling it with a 1600 Vauxhall Cavalier.. Towing Minis wasn't a problem, but larger cars were a struggle.
I also had a trailer with ramps that flipped up at the back - big mistake that one! First of all, you lose the overhang at the back, and when you're carrying front-driver cars, that becomes important. Particularly since the trailer had wheels that were positioned way too far back, so you needed to load the car further back, so as not to overload the nose. Also, you couldn't pull the thing more than 40-50mph anyway - as soon as you got to those speeds, the wind resistance on the ramps just stopped you dead. So, in the end, I went for a Brian James. I was hoping to get a nice 'Club' twin-axle trailer, with the flip down mudguards, but they've been replaced by the 'Clubman', which doesn't have a flip-down mudguard, and has the wheels too far back for my liking. I guess they're designed for sports cars. I've also (sadly) replaced my Cav with a 2ltr Mondeo, since I want to be a little more legal when towing something bigger than a Mini 
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12 Dec 2003, 13:42 (Ref:810177)
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It's lasted about 7 years
Burton, I thought the FH16 only came out this year. I also notice you only have the small engine, are you sure it can cope with 3 cars 
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12 Dec 2003, 13:53 (Ref:810187)
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12 Dec 2003, 13:56 (Ref:810189)
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In 6 years I've worked my way through an old flatbed trailer, trailer with frame and PVC cover, 3.5t Luton van, 7.5t truck and a new BJ Club trailer.
All had pros and cons with the BJ great to tow at very high speeds. The truck was easily the best at the track but storage/running costs were a pain. Just bought a BJ tilt-bed Sprint Shuttle which I am hoping will be the best of all worlds. Not cheap but will hold its value and towed at 95mph behind my Vectra on test drive! |
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12 Dec 2003, 13:58 (Ref:810192)
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Burton curiousity has got the better of me - so what do you tailer that needs so much kit with it??
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12 Dec 2003, 14:19 (Ref:810202)
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Pay 'arding to do it for me!
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12 Dec 2003, 14:21 (Ref:810204)
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I had a two wheel Brian James Trailer to carry a FF1600, and towed it behind a Transit, it towed really well at all speeds and was easily manoeuvrable by hand. But the main draw back was the car always getting dirty and wet, and the expense of the transit solely for towing & carrying all the necessary junk. So I now have an older four wheel BJ trailer which has been boxed over in alloy sheet, the car is kept dry and it carries the spares securely stored inside but it is heavy and impossible to manoeuvre without hitching IT up to a tow vehicle, which is now a Discovery that doubles up as the girlfriends everyday car.
I would certainly recommend a two wheel trailer if you can put up with the drawbacks. |
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12 Dec 2003, 14:47 (Ref:810225)
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John
Do you have a contact who can make up the trailer frames and covers...?? Tks Jeremy |
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12 Dec 2003, 15:04 (Ref:810246)
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Jeremy
Sorry, I did it myself and, while it worked it is was too heavy and still less secure than a proper hard top. I'll PM you the email of a chap I just sold my Club 1000 who told me he had two options - a Weatherweave PVC cover or a fibreglass shell - lined up for it. I'm sure he'll share his knowledge contacts. |
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12 Dec 2003, 15:08 (Ref:810251)
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The mudguard was secured by four inner bolts. Removed the 2 inner and (later replaced with cable-ties). Folded down nicely - fully 'converted' inside a minute. I've always found two wheel trailers OK upto about 40 mph but if you want to get a shift on they are way too unstable at greater speed, and harder to load for a good noseweight too. Last edited by JohnMiller; 12 Dec 2003 at 15:10. |
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12 Dec 2003, 15:14 (Ref:810254)
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but they've been replaced by the 'Clubman', which doesn't have a flip-down mudguard
It certainly does have flip down mudgaurd. I have a clubman which is 5 months old. |
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12 Dec 2003, 15:33 (Ref:810281)
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interestingly readning these it is clear that Brian James' claim to be the market leader is correct! If they use these as testimonials we must make sure we get a free winter service out of them at least!!! I had the wheel lock bar fitted at the same time and I think it is excellant - very quick and easy and I dont think it will be nicked when fitted!
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12 Dec 2003, 16:07 (Ref:810325)
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Tkx John
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12 Dec 2003, 16:43 (Ref:810361)
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Having only ever had fairly basis trailers (for single seaters) and towing with the family car, I have always been rather envious of people with lorries and/or motorhomes and covered trailers. Anyone any idea what sort of costs are involved in running a 7.5 tonne lorry.
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12 Dec 2003, 16:56 (Ref:810377)
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Problem is do you buy an older, cheaper truck and have the problem of maintaining it/rust etc. etc. Imagine the hassle of breaking down at 7pm on a Sunday night with a J plate Cargo?
Or buy a new er truck at bigger money and mega-depreciation. Decent Eurocargos can be had P reg or so for £4,000 or thereabouts. Extend the tail-lift and you're ready to roll. When I ran a truck insurnace was about £450 TPFT (age 30, 5 yrs NCB), tax £155, MOT £50 (??). It isn't like a car MOT either. Once I worried what I would do if I had a puncture and took my biggest (3 foot) bar to a wheel nut but no chance of moving it. Storage can also be a problem although byour local caravan site may help. So will your local farmer but security would be an issue then. |
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12 Dec 2003, 17:56 (Ref:810438)
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I preferred the older Club trailers with the two-piece arches (i.e one guard for each wheel), but it's not a big thing.. |
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12 Dec 2003, 19:14 (Ref:810480)
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Well if you have 40k I know where you can get an ex F1 renault Magnum tractor Unit with its original 45ft trailer.
Twin full length alfred bull awnings with windows 6m wide Twin low entry access doors ( one either side ) Six fitted toolboxes Takes 5 clio's De-breif room with seating for ten and fitted fridge and kitchen cabinets, tv ariel point Full Plumbing hot & cold water etc Shower room Kitchen Fully Wired up and lit throughout with downlighters fitted compressor 3 ton two stage tailift with hydraulic closure |
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