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17 Sep 2007, 11:10 (Ref:2015516)
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Can McLaren still score FOM money for 2007?
Given the fact that the bottom teams have agreed to pool their tv rights money for 2007, surely McLaren should now be included in this pool, particuarly as their money will significantly increase the pool and are at the bottom. If not, they could reignite the customer car issue to get in on the cash pool.
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17 Sep 2007, 11:23 (Ref:2015525)
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I was under the impression that McLaren's FOM money for this year will be subtracted from their fine, so they wouldn't actually see it but it would go straight to Max - I mean, er the FIA's road safety campaign.
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17 Sep 2007, 13:01 (Ref:2015646)
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Ralf's Girl has it right.
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17 Sep 2007, 13:43 (Ref:2015705)
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and has Ferrari officially won the constructors?
Slightly off topic but:
What if McLaren appeals the recent decision and wins. Is it possible that the constructors championship is still alive for 2007, pending the appeal? Has RD told his team that it ain’t over yet? |
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17 Sep 2007, 13:47 (Ref:2015712)
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if they appeal and lose, the punishment could be a lot harder
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17 Sep 2007, 13:49 (Ref:2015717)
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RD has hinted that there won't be any appeal against the punishment - I can only see that happening if they turned up something big enough to prove categorically that they didn't benefit from having Ferrari documents, and I don't see how they can do that.
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17 Sep 2007, 13:58 (Ref:2015728)
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If they appeal they can still get it back. Afterall the drivers still have their points, so if that aggregate is higher than both Ferrari drivers aggregate then McLaren wouldve been ahead.
The original question though, its not the "bottom" teams pooling money, its specifically Spyker, Toro Rosso and Super Aguri. Because McLaren are down the bottom now, that simply gives more money for the 3 tail enders. |
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17 Sep 2007, 15:13 (Ref:2015804)
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As flor says, it could be worse if they lose the appeal, is the risk worth it? Jean Todt hopes they appeal and lose then one of his drivers (Kimi) would most likely be gifted the title. I read that on a link in another thread somewhere |
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That's so frickin uncool man!
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17 Sep 2007, 15:23 (Ref:2015816)
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According to Autosport, McLaren's appeal against their points deduction from Hungary is likely to go ahead this week: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62515
More points = more money to deduct from the fine, although even if they win that appeal, surely Ferrari will overhaul their points total up to Monza by the end of the season? |
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17 Sep 2007, 15:31 (Ref:2015824)
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This is now about gaining the money for those points which added to the previous financial prizes is being offset against the US$100m |
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17 Sep 2007, 15:41 (Ref:2015830)
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But presumably money is also awarded at the end of the season according to championship position, in which case McLaren's aim must be to stay ahead of Ferrari - a bit (okay, a lot!) of bad luck for the red cars and they could "win" the constructors' championship.
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17 Sep 2007, 15:46 (Ref:2015836)
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Mclaren will not receive money or the other perks for their championship position (ie pit garage preference etc.) because they are officially excluded and hence technically didn't compete in the championship regardless of points. They will however keep the money they get from scoring the points. It is all rather confusing but the FIA does that to you.
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17 Sep 2007, 16:48 (Ref:2015918)
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But if they are officially classified as scoring no points how do they recover money from scoring points? Or does prize money come from them scoring driver, not constructors, points?
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17 Sep 2007, 18:42 (Ref:2016034)
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The impression I get is that McLaren's points up to and including Monza will be taken into account at the end of the season, the FOM money will be calculated accordingly and then offset against the fine. So McLaren will never actually get the money, and no results from Spa onwards will count.
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17 Sep 2007, 21:41 (Ref:2016253)
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I had wondered what would happen for the rest of the season. Good to see I'm not the only one confused.
 So do positions 9 and 10 score 2 and 1 points for the WCC now (assuming McLaren are in the top eight) and the points are awarded differently for contructors and drivers championship? Other smaller teams could have an issue as it might make a difference in terms of millions of dollars. |
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18 Sep 2007, 00:38 (Ref:2016348)
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18 Sep 2007, 03:25 (Ref:2016391)
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Which basically means McLaren are still scoring constructors points - they just aren't counting them towards anything.
I really don't see the point in that penalty at all then - they should have just said that they were excluded from the WCC, not that they were unable to score points. |
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18 Sep 2007, 04:23 (Ref:2016405)
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the $100m penalty is still going to be more than whatever McLaren would get back from FOM, and at the end of the day they'll still be down $100m.
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18 Sep 2007, 07:45 (Ref:2016484)
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It's good to see that the whole thing is completely sorted and understood by everybody now..............
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18 Sep 2007, 08:01 (Ref:2016506)
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They decided that Lewis can still win the title, then decided everything else afterwards. Result - a confusing and unbalanced penalty. Lots of impressive McLaren garage technology will go to waste, their fine will be reduced by great results at the end of the season. Plus the FIA get early access to McLaren secrets, and can pass them on to favoured teams (naming no names...)
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18 Sep 2007, 08:14 (Ref:2016527)
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of course FOM money only gets paid fully if the concorde agreement has been signed - which it hasn't been
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18 Sep 2007, 08:14 (Ref:2016528)
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I think we are looking for a problem here. When people are fined in the real world their ability to earn to pay it off is not removed. McLaren still have to get $100m from somewhere, which is roughly two years of prize money.
The siutation is actually simple. McLaren have to pay $100m and McLaren will removed from the 2007 WCC points table. Everything else remains the same. |
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18 Sep 2007, 09:42 (Ref:2016624)
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That's too straightforward, I feel the need to complicate things.
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18 Sep 2007, 15:05 (Ref:2017017)
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I doubt this will complicate things (although I'm sure we could try
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