New York Challenge

[LunaticCardboad]

After a botched attempt to have a street course race in New York years ago,ChampCar has decided to attempted to race in New York again.


Your Mission if you choose to except it: Plan a street course in New York City.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1401133 : Mine

[LibertyBell]

You got the wrong link. That links to a street track around a Scottish football stadium.

[jab]

Lol, stop pinching my tracks

I did one yesterday in NY. I'll see if I can find it

[LunaticCardboad]

Originally Posted by LibertyBell

You got the wrong link. That links to a street track around a Scottish football stadium.

well here is another attempt

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1402530 Nice Little drive through Centrail park


SF Line and Paddock are on Park Avenue

[jab]

Mine

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1400831

[Yannick]

Please beware! If you have acrophobia, the view of skyscrapers from above might not be enjoyable, to say the least.
So please use the map version of gmaps, not the satellite picture. Thanks.

[Jam35]

It's been a while since I did a track. Here's my (slightly unconventional) take on this:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1405878

And, yes, I know that's not a very tourist-friendly neighborhood of NYC... ;-)

[jonm2]

a quick note, if youve been to central park you know those roads are mainly used and joggers and cyclists, and they are built accordingly (size wise)


would be tough to race anything around those streets.

[nickyf1]

Btw that glasgow circuits pretty cool, goes past some om my friends houses.

[MethodMan]

Here's my attempt, it's on Coney Island

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1409746

[Lustigson]

Originally Posted by MethodMan

Here's my attempt, it's on Coney Island
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1409746

That actually is a very plausible track.

[pirenzo]

You can't have any meaningful track on Manhatten.

You're better off looking in some of the surrounding neighbourhoods, but that becomes difficult without some local knowledge (of which I have absolutely zilch).

I like Jam35's track in that respect.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

I thought the road layout on Rikers Island (right next to La Guardia Airport)looked good for racing until I realised that the whole Island is a Penal Colony.

The roads seperate and surround the different sections of...indeed different jail houses. So I doubt they would be available to race on, even with a (ahem) captive audience.

[mith612]

Found some nice looking roads in Fresh Kills Park on Staten Island. From what I understand, the city has a whole big project to revamp the park as a center for outdoor activites. From the plan it appears that they're going to build a golf course inside the area outlined by my layout. So why couldn't they, as part of the project, build a nice semi-permanent road course? Sounds like a plan! Obviously the roads would have to be widened, but that would be insignificant compared to the scope of the project.

Two different versions, the full course is over 3.6 miles long and has a very classic feel to it. The south course incorporates a shortcut that reduces the track length to just over 2 miles while retaining most of the fun bits of the full course layout.
Full course: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1417200
South course: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1417201

And then, of course, is the fun but not feasible layout in downtown Manhattan : http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1417194

[Mike_Wooshy]

that last one in Manhattan is the gran turismo 4 track .....

[duke_toaster]

Yup, it's GT4's New York track. Shame about the long straights, it's a PITA with Supercar festival - if anyone knows what the best car for that is I'd be obliged, the VW W12 Nardo is good but IIRC it's won by an event that has to be unlocked by doing ... Supercar festival.

[mith612]

Indeed the Manhattan track is from GT4, hence the , lol.

Duke, you win the Cizeta from the Supercar Festival, the Nardo is a prize somewhere else (but I don't know if it would qualify as it's a concept car). Anyways, use any production car that you like to drive and then modify the car to meet HP requirements. I know, it says no modifying, but that's just not true. IIRC I used a Skyline with serious power and suspension mods because it was easier to drive than any of the "supercars."

[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by mith612

Duke, you win the Cizeta from the Supercar Festival, the Nardo is a prize somewhere else (but I don't know if it would qualify as it's a concept car). Anyways, use any production car that you like to drive and then modify the car to meet HP requirements. I know, it says no modifying, but that's just not true. IIRC I used a Skyline with serious power and suspension mods because it was easier to drive than any of the "supercars."

I'll try that. I think the Nardo qualifies as it is one of the opponents.

[Lustigson]

Originally Posted by mith612

Full course: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1417200

Dude, if they want an F1-style track in the New York area, the should look no further. Looks relatively easy to reach, nice natural lay-out, yet still in NYC.

[pirenzo]

Lets keep the topic about race tracks in New York people, there are plenty of threads in Virtual Racers for you to discuss Gran Turismo in.

I like mith's track too. I don't know whether Bernie would think too much of it, but it would be good for Sportscars or CCWS/IRL.

[jab]

Actually there are rumoured to be plans for a permanent F1 track on Staten Island

[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by jab

Actually there are rumoured to be plans for a permanent F1 track on Staten Island

Didn't NASCAR want to build a track in New York but get refused planning permission?

[jab]

Don't know. I know F1 planned to race at Flushing Meadows in 1985

http://theracingline.net/racingcircu...tes/index.html

And CART planned a track by the World Trade Centre for 93

http://theracingline.net/racingcircu...tes/index.html

[Jam35]

Originally Posted by pirenzo

You can't have any meaningful track on Manhatten.

You know I couldn't resist something like that. There are a few things I don't like about what I've just knocked together, but here goes (http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1429427) -- it probably needs quite some explaining.

The Start is trickily uphill, with the line being on the downtown side of Broadway at St Clair Pl. Notice plenty of space for pit boxes on the uptown side of Broadway on the blocks either side.

Turns 1 and 2 90-degree right 122 St (we've now climbed so far uphill that the subway between us and the pit-lane goes back underground at this point), 90-degree right Claremont Av.

And back downhill...

Turns 3 and 4 90-degree left Tiemann Pl, 90-degree left 12th Av. (Sorry if it's been boring so far, but this *is* America...)

And up again...

Turn 5 Hairpin, Riverside Dr E. Wave at Grant's Tomb as you crash out of the race.

Turn 6 Chicane. Riverside Dr E → Riverside Dr W → Riverside Dr Viaduct. Seriously, it's needed for safety, as there would be zilch run-off otherwise.

Turn 7 Gentle right-left flick as the viaduct ends.

Turn 8 Right (about 80 degrees!), 137 St.

Turns 9-11 90-degree right Broadway (downtown side), hairpin at 136 St, Hamilton Pl, hard left, 138 St.

Then after we cross Broadway, it's steeply downhill!

Turn 12 138 St turns sharply left under a footbridge down from Riverside Dr and becomes 12 Av.

*** Then the confusing bit: 12 Av runs directly *under* the Riverside Dr Viaduct (i.e. the straight between turns 6 and 7) from a point between 135 and 134 Sts onward. ***

Turn 13 A gentle bend to the right out into the blinding light from under the viaduct, then a left into the ultra-wide 125 St, which confusingly enough is diagonal at this point. Wimps could lose a lot of time here...

Turn 14 A kink left into 129 St (yes, there's an intersection of 125 and 129 Sts!).

Turns 15-17 A kink right into 126 St (in case you hadn't noticed, the grid is really messed up in this bit of Manhattan), then right into Old Broadway, and right again into 125 St.

Turn 18 Just before this, you can turn sharp left into the pits. Otherwise, pass under this beautiful arch in the middle of Broadway, make a hard left, and climb back up the hill to the start-finish line.

[jab]

That's really nice. I like the idea of driving underneath another part of the track - I've tried that in my Cardiff tracks with a tunnel

Could be run in reverse as well. Then you wouldn't need the chicane (turn 6)