Dream Touring Car Schedule and Format?

[Matt]

Well I was thinking about this tonight, and though about what my dream touring car series would be, and the following schedule would be.

Touring Car "Classification"

Two Classes

Class 1 - V8 Supercar regulations.
Class 2 - Super2000 regulations.

Race format. (Sprint races)

Friday.
30min practice for C1
30min practice for C2

Saturday.
Combined 2hour practice.
Qualifying C1 - 15min.
Qualifying C2 - 20min.

RACEDAY

25min combined warmup.

Race1 - 100km.

Race 2 - 150km. One mandatory pitstop for fuel, tires optional.

Points tally.

C1
1 - 100
2 - 80
3 - 65
4 - 50
5 - 40
6 - 30
7 - 25
8 - 20
9 - 15
10 - 10
11 - 5
12 - 4
13 - 3
14 - 2
15 - 1

C2
Same as C1.

Schedule:

R1 - Wunstorf (GER)
R2 - Donington Park (GBR)
R3 - Watkins Glen 500 (USA) *Enduro - Two drivers per car.*
R4 - Mosport (CDN)
R5 - Miller Motorsports Park (USA)
R6 - Interlagos (BRZ)
R7 - Hamilton (NZL)
R8 - Bathurst 1000 (AUS) *Enduro - Two drivers per car.*
R9 - Diepholz (GER)
R10 - Monza (ITA)
R11 - Barcelona (SPA)
R12 - Spa-Francorchamps (BEL)
R13 - Le Mans Bugatti (FRA)
R14 - Suzuka 6hour (JPN) *Enduro - Two drivers per car.*
R15 - Silverstone (GBR)
R16 - Nürburgring Nordschleife (GER) *Enduro - Two drivers per car.[Final]*

This is very brief, as it is late, and I will ad to this tomorrow. Please feel free to comment on mine, and add your own!

[werner]

Alright, here is my go at this thread.

In my imaginary WTCC I also have 2 classes. They race in separate races on the sprint-races, but together in the few endurance-races.

Class 1: S3000 (technical regulations in the spirit of S2000, but with engines until 3l, and 4-wheeldrive is allowed on cars where it's available on their roadgoing cousins.
Class 2: S2000

Format sprintraces:
Saterday morning: separate free practices
Saterday afternoon: separate qualifieings

Sundaymorning combined warmup
12.00 Race 1 Class 2: 50 km, grid based on qualifieng
12.45 Race 1 Class 1: 75 km, grid based on qualifieing
13.45 Race 2 Class 2: 50 km, grid based on fastest laps in race 1
14.30 Race 2 Class 1: 75 km, grid based on fastest laps in race 1

Points:
As in F1, with double points for the enduranceraces. An extra point for pole-position.

Calender:

Buenos Aires
Curitiba
Puebla
Jerez
Zandvoort
Spa 400km
Pau
Donnington Park
Nuernburgring Nordschleife 400km
Enna Pergusa
Bathurst 1000km (2 drivers)
Suzuka
Macaou*

The Macaou-races have a special format. The first races of both classes are driven at saturdayevening. The second races are raced on sunday, and are 100 and 150km long for double points.

[Mr Pink]

Class: New regulations with S2000 like engines but up tp 2.5l(no diesels), no weight penalties, less grip, saloons only.

Race Format: Like the two before me I would also like a mix between sprint races and endurance races.

Friday: Free practice

Sprint races:
Saturday: Morning: Free practice
Afternoon: 20 min Qual. for race 1
Evening: Shoot out Qual. for race 2

Sunday : Morning: 20 min Warm-up
Mid-day: Race 1 70km
Afternoon: Race 2 100km

Endurance races:
Saturday: Morning: Free practice
Afternoon: 1 hour Qual.

Sunday : Morning: 30 min warm-up
Afternoon: Race

Points: 20,16,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1.
Double points n endurance rounds.
1 for pole ,1 for fastest lap in race.

Calender:

Vallelunga, Int. version (ITA)
Jerez (SPA)
Eifelrennen Nürburgring Nordschleife 1000km (GER) Two drivers/car
Road Atlanta (USA)
Mexico City, NASCAR version (MEX)
500km do Interlagos (BRA) Two drivers/car
Mosport (CAN)
Pau (FRA)
Sachsenring (GER)
Bathurst 1000km (AUS) two drivers/car
Donington Park (GBR)
Biekernieki (LAT)
Suzuka 500km (JPN) two drivers/car
Goldenport (CHI)
Guia (MAC)

[Stefvh]

You forgot Spa 24h

[Captain VXR]

BTCC with a V8 class that has VXR8s, Mercs etc, and S2000/BTC-T

[mattt]

i would combine a couple of current series and

Tracks

Bathurst
Adelaide
Nordshlieffe
Rockingham
Laguna Seca
Silverstone
Mallory
Monza
Monaco
and 6 other tracks

[awrb]

there'd need to be pretty open reg's. I just think it'd be cool to see Dodge Chargers race Mitsubishi i's and stuff like that. It'd need to be close no matter what size your car is... Dunno how that'd work, but NOT wtcc style by making up stupid reasons to give weight breaks. Need to get manufacturers interested though... and three car teams!

three races, BTCC style, but 30-40 mins long. Reverse grid, like the BTCC, in race three, but can be between 8-16 drivers reversed.

the calender:
1--Donington
2--Le Mans Bugatti
3--Monza
4--Valencia
5--Brno
6--Circuit de Gilles Villenueve
7--Indy
8--Sears Point
9--Interlagos
10--Curitiba
11--Adelaide Street Circuit
12--Pukekohe
13--Anderstorp
14--Birmingham Street Circuit
15--Guia Macau

Now tell me you wouldn't watch that!

[duke_toaster]

Tech regs : Either S2000 or a new set of regulations with 2 litre turbocharged engines in silhouette cars like the 407 Coupe (but with lots of production parts in those silhouette tubs). Variable pressures - limited to 400hp, but 450hp with a boost button - the limit on how many times it can be pressed is the puny fuel tank.
Race lengths : S2000 would be three BTCC style sprint races, T* would have a fifteen minute sprint race, and a 40 minute feature race with a mandatory all-four-tyres-and-fuel pit stop.

Calendar

Brands Hatch Indy
Luxembourg City street circuit
Pau
Valleunga
Norisring
Lime Rock Park
Mosport
Suzuka East
Macau

[Speed-King]

Ok, here I go:
Two classes, TU (under two liter displacement) and TO (over two liter), turbos are allowed, turbofactor 1.6 or 1.7.

Technical rules: 24h Special as a starting point, with a fixed power/weight ratio based on the power-output of the production cars. High volume production sports cars like Porsche 911 would be allowed as well.

Format: 100km without pitstops for standart sprint races, longer for the enduros, if possible split fields for the sprint races.

Schedule:
- Sebring USA 2x 100km (with ALMS)
- Mexico City 2x 100km
- Bilbao 2x 100km (WSR-Street circuit)
- Monza 400km endurance, two drivers per car, both classes
- Brands Hatch: 2x 100km
- Nürburgring 24hrs endurance (with the regular 24hrs field)
- Spa-Francorchamps 200km, both classes
- Norisring 2x 100km + 2x 50km Geldrennen (money race, no points) saturday night
- Anderstorp 2x 100km
- Dijon Prenois 2x 100km
- Brno 2x 100km
- Mosport 2x 100km
- Road America 500km endurance
- Interlagos 2x 100km
- Suzuka 2x 100km
- Bathurst 1000km endurance
- Macau 2x 100km

[Captain VXR]

Originally Posted by Captain VXR

BTCC with a V8 class that has VXR8s, Mercs etc, and S2000/BTC-T

Tracks:
British Isles Part
Thruxton
Rockingham
Silverstone National
Brands Indy races 1+2, GP race 3
Silverstone International
Castle Combe
Knockhill
Mondello
Teesside
Oulton Park
Donington park
London Street Course
International Part
Anderstorp
Fuji
Dubai
Macau
Bahrain
Ariana Street Course (Tunisia Capital City)
Monza
Poznan Circuit
Brno
Paris Street Course (inc Arc De Triomphe)
Toronto Street Course
Laguna Seca
Alabama Redneck Chase special
Curitiba
Nurburgring 5hrs special season finale
Support Races:
FBMW
Renault Clio Cup
Porsche Carrera Cup
European Drift Championship/D1/Formula D/Prodrift/Prodrift Eu/IDC/D1MY/D1NZ/Drift Australia/D1 Thailand best drivers mix
Time Attack
Banger Racing - normal and chav car classes
Ford Escort Mk1 and 2 championship

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Car Classes:
Group A: V8 Supercar type Regulations open to all Manufacturers (Equalisation ballast between FWD/RWD and AWD)
Group B: S2000 type regulation but with 2 litre Turbo Engines with Boost Limited, Equalisation to allow Turbo Diesels (ballast to Equalise FWD/RWD/AWD)

Free practice:
Friday Morning: 2x 30* minutes for each Class of Cars.
This is the only time over the weekend where both classes are NOT on the circuit at the same time

Qualification:
Friday Afternoon: 2x 40* minutes - Minimum of 3 timed laps required per session. Each cars fastest timed lap of the session forms the grid for Sprint 1 and 2 respectively.
Saturday Morning: 1x 40* minute - Minimum of 3 timed Laps in the session. Each Cars fastest lap forms Sunday Grid.

A car not completing 3 timed laps in a qualifying session is not permitted to entry that respective race.

* Sessions extended as need be at Le Mans and Nordschleife

Race Format:
Saturday: 2x 40min + 2 laps timed races
Both Races will be Standing Starts
Races to be separated by 90-120 minutes.

No Mandatory pit stops.

Sunday:
1x 90 min + 5 laps Timed Race.
Race will begin under a rolling start

A mandatory tyre (all 4) stop must be completed during the timed section of the race.
This can only be conducted by one tyre changer on each side and an assistant...all must be behind safety line at garage door until car is stationary. This stop can be done under safety car conditions but not a Red Flag.

Red Flag: The clock continues to run for up to 10 minutes (or end of timed section of race if sooner). When track cleared, safety car leads out from pit lane pulling off with time resuming when leader crosses timing beam, or for a sprint to flag consisting of the numbered laps if time had expired.

If time elapses under Safety car conditions on any race, Red Flag is shown and cars return to Pit lane. Under Red Flag cars may have minimum safety repairs i.e. body work pulled off tyres. A change of tyres will NOT be counted as the Mandatory stop. All work must be done in pit lane.

Points:
Saturday races: 10,8,6,5,4,3,2,1
Sunday race: 15,12,9,6,4,3,2,1

Bonus points: 5 minutes after the start of the feature race, an announcement circuit wide will be made detailing that at the end of the lap in which the end of a specific minute between the 20th and 40th of the race, 5 down to 1 bonus points will be awarded, to current top 5 on the track (not pit lane) at that point in the race.

Circuits in not particular order:


Adelaide Australia (GP Street Circuit…not Clipsal version)
Bathurst Australia (Street Circuit)
Sepang (GP) Malaysia
Ghia Circuit Macau (Street Circuit)
Suzuka (GP) Japan
Zhuhai (A1GP circuit)
Pacific Place circuit, Vancouver Canada (Street Circuit)
Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montreal Canada
Road America Elkhart Lake USA
Laguna Seca California USA
Road Atlanta Georgia USA
Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez Mexico City Mexico (A1GP version)
Interlagos Brazil
Circuit Oscar Galvez Buenos Aires Argentina
Durban South Africa (A1GP circuit)
Sakir Bahrain (GP)
Istanbul Park (GP) Turkey
Monza (GP) Italy
Le Mans France (La Sarthe circuit)
Nurburgring Germany (Nordschleife with GP Loop)
Spa Francorchamps Belgium
Silverstone UK (GP Circuit)

All events Single Driver

[racer69]

I'd go old school Group A regs, but with a higher turbo equivalency formula (2.0 or something), wider rubber for the big engined cars, and a ban on homologation specials.

Two-driver enduro's (min 500km, max 24hr), and use the 1987 WTCC calendar as the basis

[johntt]

I'd have 4 classes
C1: NASCAR Sprint Cup cars (the car formerly known as the Car of Tommorrow)
C2: V8 Supercars
C3: DTM cars
C4: S2000 cars.

3 hour races, 1 driver.
1) Brno
2) Silverstone Classic (i.e fast Club and Abbey)
3) Daytona Road Course
4) Rockingham (use turn one as per the oval, pulling into the infield before turn two, then turining right and heading along the road parallel to the back straight then rejoining the oval after turn three)
5) Bahrain external track (used by the Aussie V8s in 06)
6) Bathurst.

[duke_toaster]

Three hour one driver races? Are you sure?

Also, in class order it would be more like NASCAR-DTM (Possibly other way round) - V8S - S2000.

[johntt]

Suppose you could allow 2 drivers.

The class order was worked out by engine capacity; Nascar 5.8l, V8s 5.0l, etc.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

Three hour one driver races? Are you sure?

Also, in class order it would be more like NASCAR-DTM (Possibly other way round) - V8S - S2000.

NASCAR-cars on roadcourses are really really slow, slower than Daytona Prototypes, which are in turn a bit slower than ACO GT1 cars, which are again slower than DTM cars. I wonder if S2000 cars could upset the NASCAR-machines on tight and twisty circuits...

[johntt]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

NASCAR-cars on roadcourses are really really slow, slower than Daytona Prototypes, which are in turn a bit slower than ACO GT1 cars, which are again slower than DTM cars. I wonder if S2000 cars could upset the NASCAR-machines on tight and twisty circuits...

Thats kind of what i had in mind, would make for some great racing, like the Audi/Porsche battle at Belle Isle Detroit last year; the Audi balsted away from the Porsche on the straights while the Porsche was all over it in the corners.

[Valenok]

I think, it must be 2 klasses - S2000 for independent and S2000+ (rally based) for works teams. S2000+ must be AWD with standartized transmission, has 2l turbochargered ethanol engines, limited on 400bhp.

Calendar must have 16+ rounds, from late February or early March to final Macau round in November. Every round must be about 180-200k in various formats - one, two or three races. Next race grid must be formed on previous race fast lap classification. Point system in moto-style - 15 places from 25 points for winner. Two-race format provide 1.5-time more points per race, one-race format - 3-times more

Tracks:
1. Singhapoure (2x100k city race)
2. Curitiba (3x60k)
3. Hermano Rodriguez Autodrom (3x65k)
4. Long-Beach (3x65k city race)
5. Brands-Hatch GP-loop (3x60k)
6. Zolder (3x65k)
7. Aderstorp (3x65k)
8. Valencia (2x100k city race)
9. Monza (2x100k)
10. Le-Mans Sarte (1x200k)
11. Spa (1x200k)
12. Monako (2x65k city race)
13. Bilbao (3x65k city race)
14. Shanghai short ring (2x100k)
15. Aida (3x60k)
16. Macau (3x65k city race)

[awrb]

more than 1 class doesn't really work. You always get one class thats better (generally the fastest), then that gets all the backing, manufacturers, Coverage etc. and the others die out, I.e. BTCC production cup. Simple 1 class is the best, but it needs good regs.

[werner]

How about this one: North Sea Touringcar-challenge

3 weekends with all the manufacturer/importer- and the best privateerteams from the BTCC, the STCC, DTCC and ADAC-Procar.

Format:
Saturday: training and qualifing, 3 2 and 1 point for the first 3 in qualifing.
Sunday:
-warmup
-local race
-race 1 NSTCC: 50km
-race 1 Britisch/Scandinavian Porchecup
-race 2 NTCC: 100KM, 1 mandatory stop, grid decided by race 1, with first 8 reversed, live TV in Britain, Sweden and Danmark, for double points.
-race 2 Britisch/Scandinavian Porchecup.

Points awarded as in BTCC

Calendar:
-Silverstone International
-Anderstorp
-Oshersleben

[nickyf1]

V8 Sillhouets - restricted aero (no DTM style thingies) - three cars in a team

Number of races vary.

3 Races - 50km each
2 Races - 75km each
1 Race - 100km



Calendar

Crail (SCO) (Used to be a track, its now a drag strip, but all the runways are still there) - 2 races
Brands Hatch GP (ENG) - 2 Races
Nurburgring Nordschleife (with sprint loop) (GER) - 1 Race
Revised A1-Ring (AST) - 2 Races
Spa Franchorchamps (BEL) - 2 Races
Enna Perguesa (ITA) - 2 Races
Norisring (GER) - 3 Races
Puerto De Los Funes (ARG) - 2 Races
Road America (USA) - 2 Races
Laguna Seca (USA) - 2 Races
Interlagos (BRA) - 2 Races
Kyalami (RSA) - 3 Races
Brno (CZR) - 2 Races
Bathurst (AUS) - 1 Race
Pukehoe (NZL) - 3 Races
Simmons Plains (AUS) - 3 Races
Knockhill (SCO) - 1 Race ** 150km Finale

had to finnish at knockhill

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by nickyf1

Crail (SCO) (Used to be a track, its now a drag strip, but all the runways are still there) - 2 races
...
Knockhill (SCO) - 1 Race ** 150km Finale

had to finnish at knockhill

Crail
That will send some people hunting their maps and atlases

150km at Knockhill.
300 laps, the drivers heads would be spinning

[Matt]

Originally Posted by nickyf1

had to finnish at knockhill

150km for one race is WAY too short. Even at Knockhill. What a weak finale.

[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by Matt

150km for one race is WAY too short. Even at Knockhill. What a weak finale.

That's THREE WTCC races in length (although nicky's cars might be faster).

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Here's another idea - Grand Slam of Touring Cars

Rather simple - instead of the European Cup, replace it with four "Grand Slam" events. They would count towards the WTCC and the national series in which it is being held. Possibly, the makes of the BTCC if they go to some of the legs. The GSTC would replace the European Cup.

BTCC leg - Brands Hatch.
STCC leg - Gothenberg street circuit.
WTCC leg - Pau
Procar leg - Norisring

Two races for all meetings.

[PorscheFanNo1]

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

That's THREE WTCC races in length (although nicky's cars might be faster).

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Here's another idea - Grand Slam of Touring Cars

Rather simple - instead of the European Cup, replace it with four "Grand Slam" events. They would count towards the WTCC and the national series in which it is being held. Possibly, the makes of the BTCC if they go to some of the legs. The GSTC would replace the European Cup.

BTCC leg - Brands Hatch.
STCC leg - Gothenberg street circuit.
WTCC leg - Pau
Procar leg - Norisring

Two races for all meetings.

Now thats an idea I really like! However, how big feilds are you expecting? I'm thinking it will be veeeeery crowded on those street tracks. But the general idea is probably one of the best I've ever heard, way better then the current ETC Cup!