FISC EuroTour improved its regulations

[pieterbakker]

Following the success of the Spa RMU Classic event, where FISC EuroTour and Dutch Historic Ch’ship grids were amalgamated, it was only a matter of time, that a change of regulations would follow.

Pieter Bakker, founder of the series, said: “As we are no official championship and take our racing from circuit to circuit, there is no reason not to adapt our regulations midway the racing season to what the drivers really want. We all had a jolly good time at Spa and provided for the most competitive racing of the RMU Classic weekend, despite the fact that we had some pretty big cars out there. As a result we will now start inviting bigger cars ánd later period cars to our events, on condition that they fit the ambiance of our grid.”

Provided cars are safe and people race them in the right frame of mind, we do not care too much about originality. We recognize, that many spec’s have not been homologated in period in the first place and most certainly not where it concerns the British automobile industry. We therefore accept period specifications within reason and always in consultation with the organizer.

I hope this relaxed attitude will invite many more racers to the most legendary GP circuits we will be visiting this year.”

Enjoy your racing,
FISC EuroTour
Motorsport, like it used to be!

[Peter Mallett]

So,

What exactly does this mean? (BTW. Press releases should go to www.parcferme.com)

[rogerwills]

Run what you brung?

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

So,

What exactly does this mean? (BTW. Press releases should go to www.parcferme.com)

Peter,

You cannot close your eyes for the fact that the British Automobile Industry, on more than one occasion, adapted a kind of "we are racing on our island, so why should we bother" attitude. This is the very reason that many period specifications were not FIA homologated at the time. If you would bother to have a look at the detailed homologations of the continental manufacturers, you'll see my point. However, I fail to see, why we should exclude cars&parts from our grid, while we are sure they were raced in period.

Another point is, that I recently met with the French Trophée Lotus. Here is an example of mixing older and younger cars in the spirit of the time. The series is based on the Lotus 7 SI+II, but they accept detuned Caterhams, which now race at approx. the same speed as the original. Clever guys those French.

Does this answer your question?

(Thanks for mentioning the press release business, I'll make sure to write my contribution in a different tune next time.)

[zefarelly]

Originally Posted by rogerwills

Run what you brung?

that applies for most race organisers, or at least it did until we all started moaning about it!

whats far more important is maintaining driving standards, I think everyone is doing their bit, and succeeding pretty well on that issue.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by pieterbakker

Peter,

You cannot close your eyes for the fact that the British Automobile Industry, on more than one occasion, adapted a kind of "we are racing on our island, so why should we bother" attitude. This is the very reason that many period specifications were not FIA homologated at the time. If you would bother to have a look at the detailed homologations of the continental manufacturers, you'll see my point. However, I fail to see, why we should exclude cars&parts from our grid, while we are sure they were raced in period.

Quite but what does it mean for FISC?

Originally Posted by pieterbakker

Another point is, that I recently met with the French Trophée Lotus. Here is an example of mixing older and younger cars in the spirit of the time. The series is based on the Lotus 7 SI+II, but they accept detuned Caterhams, which now race at approx. the same speed as the original. Clever guys those French.

Does this answer your question?

No. I want to know what cars you can race and what these changes are. As far as I know FISC is for MG Midgets. All you've told me is that you are allowing cars that have non homologated mods. I don't really care about homologation per se. But it would be nice to know what car I could run etc.

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

whats far more important is maintaining driving standards, I think everyone is doing their bit, and succeeding pretty well on that issue.

I could not agree more. I think the key is socializing. You wouldn't shove someone into the grass, whom you would have met in the pub and drank a beer with, do you?

From the start, back in 1994, we've introduced hospitality and catering facilities, inviting everybody , and that includes the families, to breakfast, lunch, dinner buffet and small talk, enjoying a beer or two, in the evening. This is what I rarely see in the paddocks and where a lot of clubs could improve. BTW a great way to introduce new drivers to the community and involve their families, so they will come back.

Another way of influencing driving standards, is that we check every car upon arrival and make a note of all the scratches and bumps (there should not be any!). We do the same after race 1, 2 and 3. Should we find someone 'crying' in a corner of our paddock, next to a bruised car, we'll interview the man and will ask the other guy (should someone be involved) for an explanation.

Racing is an art and is supposed to be a non contact sport. We've had no casualties from the start and we'll keep it that way. Enjoy!

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Quite but what does it mean for FISC?

No. I want to know what cars you can race and what these changes are. As far as I know FISC is for MG Midgets. All you've told me is that you are allowing cars that have non homologated mods. I don't really care about homologation per se. But it would be nice to know what car I could run etc.

Peter,

Times do change and so did FISC EuroTour. Where we have started as a Sprite and Midget series, we have grown into a series focussing on legendary GP circuits, instead of cars.

What you're racing is of less importance, then enjoying these challenging circuits.

BTW there is a list of eligible cars on our site. Simply google 'fisc eurotour' and you'll have your answer. Bear in mind this thread though.

P.S. e-mail me a PM when you still need advice.

[Peter Mallett]

You can actually post the URL. Its part of the discussion.

[Peter Mallett]

Ah now I understand. How come no Capris along with the Escorts?

If I read this correctly your reference to non homologated mods would mean that a Speedwell A40 (although I don't think they made an 1800) or A35 would fit. Also the Anglia (Zef, what was the name of the modified cars?) would fit too.

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

You can actually post the URL. Its part of the discussion.

Thanks for inviting, me. With 19,445 posts to your name, I am sure you'll know your way a lot better than I do.

The site I was referring to can be found at http://www.fisc-eurotour.org/

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Ah now I understand. How come no Capris along with the Escorts?

Like I said, cars must fir the ambiance of the grid. The round shaped Escorts do, the Capri simply was ahead of its time.

If I read this correctly your reference to non homologated mods would mean that a Speedwell A40 (although I don't think they made an 1800) or A35 would fit. Also the Anglia (Zef, what was the name of the modified cars?) would fit too.

Correct, the Speedwell A35/40 would be welcome, 1098 being the biggest capacity.

[Podd37]

I think this is a great idea. It is giving guy's like myself a chance to run without the problems/expense etc of FIA papers. As Pieter runs it he can decide who what and where!! I think with a bit of thought it is possible to do something like this and not let it all go mad (for which read plastic bodies, silly motors, huge slicks etc) and I applaud what he's at. Just wish I could get to do some of this years events!

[Peter Mallett]

Er, the Arkley is plastic.

I think you've missed something with the omission of the Mk1 Capri but I may be biased. Especially as the RS 1600 is actually a 2Litre BDA in race trim.

I do applaud the initiative though and I know many folks enjoy the events.

I want one of those Anglias. (Its a 1650 Superspeed).

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by Podd37

I think this is a great idea. It is giving guy's like myself a chance to run without the problems/expense etc of FIA papers. As Pieter runs it he can decide who what and where!! I think with a bit of thought it is possible to do something like this and not let it all go mad (for which read plastic bodies, silly motors, huge slicks etc) and I applaud what he's at. Just wish I could get to do some of this years events!

Exactly, but don't misread me; someone using plastic panels in order to save money is ok, when using the plastic in order to play a rough game, you're out (definitely out!). Of course putting a V8 in a Frogeye, would be mad, but using an overbore 1275 (they are a lot cheaper and last longer) is ok. Slicks, no way, not even semi-slicks (BTW an ideal way to ruïn your chassis), but Dunlop vintage, Avon CR6ZZ or street tyres are ok.

[Tim Falce]

...and there was me getting excited and thinking about booking the rest of my vacation for this year.

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Er, the Arkley is plastic.

I think you've missed something with the omission of the Mk1 Capri but I may be biased. Especially as the RS 1600 is actually a 2Litre BDA in race trim.

I do applaud the initiative though and I know many folks enjoy the events.

I want one of those Anglias. (Its a 1650 Superspeed).

I drove the 2600 myself and love the RS3000, but nope, the car just doesn't fit the ambiance.

BTW as far as I am concerned, the RS1600 carried a 16 valve Cosworth BDA unit measuring 1599cc.

Thanks for the testimonial and make that two for the Anglias.

[pieterbakker]

Originally Posted by falcemob

...and there was me getting excited and thinking about booking the rest of my vacation for this year.

Wouldn't object having you around for the rest of the year. Enjoy that beautiful car of yours, as 10/10 seems to do.

[Podd37]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Er, the Arkley is plastic.

Doh!!!!!!

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by pieterbakker

BTW as far as I am concerned, the RS1600 carried a 16 valve Cosworth BDA unit measuring 1599cc.

Thanks for the testimonial and make that two for the Anglias.

Well in Gp 2 form it's definitely a 2l twink.

If they can run to Superspeed build then Zef might get an order.

[zefarelly]

Allardettes and Anglias where homologated with 997, 1197 and 1340 engine, one 997 with a blower, which would sound good at least !

1500GT's where boy racer mods and club spec, 1650 was Superspeed conversion for club racing and fast road use, I don't think thwey ever built a formal race car. Superspeed race cars ran in 1300 and 1L classes in gp5 I think ( along with broadspeed )

[terence]

So,a 1340,bored to 1.2mm,steel crank/rods etc should be quite a good starting point,twin 40s I take it Zef ?

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

Allardettes and Anglias where homologated with 997, 1197 and 1340 engine, one 997 with a blower, which would sound good at least !

1500GT's where boy racer mods and club spec, 1650 was Superspeed conversion for club racing and fast road use, I don't think thwey ever built a formal race car. Superspeed race cars ran in 1300 and 1L classes in gp5 I think ( along with broadspeed )

Yes but period non homologated mods, would appear to cover that issue.

[zefarelly]

yes Terry and yes Pete, DOc MErefield ran a 1340 overbore to 1430 ( same mod as a 1500 to 1650) tuned by WIllment back in the summer of 62

it wasn't dry sumped with electronic ignition and 4 pot discs all round though

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

it wasn't dry sumped with electronic ignition and 4 pot discs all round though

I know. So whare's the problem?