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7 Jun 2009, 08:47 (Ref:2476808) | #1 | ||
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Kev Proctor fourth quickest in 1st heats. Jernberg quickest.
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7 Jun 2009, 09:58 (Ref:2476849) | #2 | ||
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Kev ninth quickest in 2nd Heats, Hanson, Isachsen, Jernberg top 3. Should get Kev in the B final at least.
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7 Jun 2009, 15:51 (Ref:2477044) | #3 | ||
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Whatever result in Austria for Kevin and the others will be overlooked by all the goings on at the event seems to have turned into a farce.Each party at war with each other not good advert for the ERC no doubt this will get discussed in further posts make interesting reading.
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7 Jun 2009, 17:37 (Ref:2477099) | #4 | ||
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1.yernberg 2.hansen 3.walfridsson didnt see how kev got on thought. BB.... |
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7 Jun 2009, 18:56 (Ref:2477147) | #5 | ||
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The Austrian organisation failled,...again!!!
This race should be black flagged. I find this whorse than the crash at Valkenswaard ast year. http://www.rallycross.hu/massive_crash_in_melk.html . |
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Kevin Finished 9th Overall not bad after a break in the Bahalmas/Barbados ? Just a shame the event by all accounts turned in to a shambles! will it or wont it be on the calender next year? any little thing now that occurs at events with drivers and Organisers must give hope to those running candidate events this year! Thanks for the link QuarterRik just watched it! not good viewing had to bloody hurt unnecessary damage caused me thinks Marshalls on here would like to hear your oppinions should it have been stopped although I guess not enough footage .... |
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7 Jun 2009, 21:16 (Ref:2477263) | #7 | ||
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7 Jun 2009, 21:40 (Ref:2477278) | #8 | |
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With the short laps in rallycross the race directors have to analyse the situation, make a decision and communicate it very quickly - within 30 seconds.
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8 Jun 2009, 18:44 (Ref:2477855) | #9 | ||
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As cheifstartline for the BRDA,and a marshall aswell,i would have requested a race stop,and it seemed that the only marshall point was on the start of the loose,i thought in the ERC,you have to do a DOUBLE WAVED YELLOW,that was what we was told at lydden in easter,what a horrible accident.
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8 Jun 2009, 18:45 (Ref:2477856) | #10 | ||
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With the short laps in rallycross the race directors have to analyse the situation, make a decision and communicate it very quickly - within 30 seconds.
Exactly, and that is what we have to do every race we run. Sometimes 60 or more races in a day. The UK Qualified Clerks do this every meeting and whilst we / they do not get it right every time, we ALWAYS put the safety of the driver first. KA aka TW Last edited by King Arthur; 8 Jun 2009 at 18:47. Reason: Grammer |
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8 Jun 2009, 19:14 (Ref:2477875) | #11 | |
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At the website of German driver Rene Münnich you´ll get an almost horrific view of the accident as the clip presents onboard photage of the crash.
Hope this will be an very expensie lesson in how NOT to let the race continue with standed veihecels at the track. Look for "Unfall Melk" -> http://www.muennich-motorsport.com/ |
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8 Jun 2009, 21:05 (Ref:2477944) | #12 | ||
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This makes me extremely angry, and I'm only glad that they both escaped more serious injury. Sadly, the organisers seem to have placed the value for money and time restraints above the safety of the drivers who are trusting them implicitly to make decisions about their safety. It's all very well saying that stewards have to make a quick decision, but if they can't do it they shouldn't even be there - this is potentially peoples' lives we're talking about. As KA rightly points out, people like him make extremely difficult decisions countless times in the course of a meeting, and safety must ALWAYS come first in these situations. My dad tells me stories of visiting French rounds years ago; he says that when there was an accident the doctor was driven flat out to the scene in a Peugeot 205 T16, whilst the other drivers carried on racing around them. It all sounds very cool and funny, but these sort of speeds and conditions are not a game, and there is no excuse for allowing a serious, preventable accident to happen. I just hope I'm never put into that situation by someone else's failure to make a decision. My thoughts go out to the drivers involved in wishing them a speedy recovery. |
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I have tried to access this and it requires authorization? Am I the only one who this is happening to? On the more pertinent subject of the race, surely the default situation is to red-flag the race, not just for safety reasons but also becuase these are timed qualifications. Given how tough the ERC is to get into a final, competitors shouldn't be required to slalom extra cars just to save the organizers time. Every ERC event I have attended has had more than enough spare time to eat into between heats/finals etc. The safety of the competitors must come first and I do not agree with the decision making time restraints being a problem in this case. I read on ERC24 that they had time to radio HQ and say that they had made a decision that Eklund was not on the racing line (are they blind?); so if they had time to do this, then they had time to throw out a red flag. I was stood on the first corner at Hungary and two cars were in the middle of a blind, uphill bend and the race continued. Pauwels and another narrowly avoided them (very narrowly and at a snail's pace), whereas Liam Doran had to do a handbrake turn to avoid them, and then pulled out of the heat. The problem there was that the only yellows were on the apex of the corner!! Cars are flying in at 100mph and are meant to see the flags and stop instantly! Unbelievable. At that pace, I bet drivers are lucky enough to see marshal's post, let alone a waved yellow flag! This is not fair or safe to any competitor and thus this accident in Austria was an unfortunate innevitability. As previously mentioned on here, it is easy to judge after an event and hindsight is always 20/20; let's just hope the powers that be take heed and prevent this happening again. |
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9 Jun 2009, 11:47 (Ref:2478322) | #14 | ||
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Just watched the clip on Rene's site - that was a horrible accident. Should have been stopped, no question about it, there was enough time to stop it no problem. Was Per still in his car? It may not have been "on the racing line" but it was certainly in a dangerous position (as proven by subsequent events).
About the only plus point you can take from the accident is that the cars stood up to it very well. Big damage but none of it looks terminal for the cars (Pinomakis looks the worst of the three). Hope the drivers make full and swift recoveries and are back in action soon. |
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9 Jun 2009, 13:45 (Ref:2478395) | #16 | ||
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Nope, Per took to his heels in time.
For Münnich the 2009 RX season is finished. |
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Lucky he was long gone - it would have been bad if he'd still been in the car - worse if he was in the process of getting out.....
I'm not surprised to hear that - I guess the recovery time for that kind of injury is fairly lengthy. It's not something worth rushing either. |
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9 Jun 2009, 21:19 (Ref:2478709) | #18 | |
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