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17 Apr 2013, 21:13 (Ref:3235947) | #1 | ||
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Some penalties have come, and they are big. Teams involved are Penske, MWR, and NTS motorsports.
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17 Apr 2013, 21:26 (Ref:3235950) | #2 | ||
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Those ARE strong penalties. On the question of the penalties being too severe, I guess you'd need to know exactly what they've fitted to the cars without NASCAR signoff, how long they've been running it and why NASCAR see it as an issue of this magnitude. Could be that NASCAR are making an example of these guys to get a message to the rest of the field. The MWR one is weird given that (according to information shown) the rules broken are the same as the Penske guys. I haven't paid a huge amount of attention to the back stories this year but does MWR get their gear from Penske? If that's the case, maybe they've been cut some slack for fitting a Penske component that MWR THOUGHT was NASCAR approved? That's a fair few key people that Penske need to find for the next 6 races! |
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Story earlier this week had the 48 team (who they were next to in the garage) tipping Nascar off on what they were doing with regards to the rear suspension.
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Wow, those are big penalties for Penske. It's a pity that NASCAR's website doesn't have the forums back up yet, I was looking forward to all the claims that Chad obviously has a better lawyer than Paul Wolfe does...
The Fox team thought it might have been something to do with the alignment of the rear axle. IIRC Hendrick were warned last year when their cars were visibly 'crabbing' more than anybody else's on the straights. Perhaps NASCAR intended that to act as a 'we're watching you' message to the field, and now that they've caught someone else they've bought the hammer down. Championship wise I reckon this is going to hurt Brad big time losing three people from his team. Even in an organisation as big as Penske I'm sure they won't have ready-made replacements available unless they get their Nationwide teams doing double-duty. |
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That is big news - shall be interesting to see how Brad goes without his championship winning crew chief...
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"must be approved by NASCAR" = NASCAR's BS workaround/excuse for penalizing people for years. Don't like it? Find somewhere else to race. Ask the Crawford Brothers and many, many others about that.
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Does anyone know what they were actually doing (or trying to do)? I can't find anything technical, only the standard media fluff.
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I can understand the view that rules are there to be enforced, but this seems way ott. Can anyone really believe that one rod being 3g under is going to provide a significant advantage? If it was all eight I could understand. I won't be the slightest bit suprised if this gets overturned on appeal.
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I wonder if the ACCUS and the FIA (the ACCUS is the main North American FIA branch) are laughing their rears off at NASCAR over these penalties. A $1 dollar bill weighs roughly 1 gram. If it's just one rod, then I can't see why the need for such a draconian penalty, aside from the NASCAR axiom of "don't touch the engine unless we approve it". But NASCAR themselves say that it's very likely a parts defect, but they're not changing the penalty outside of an appeal ruling.
This, of course, is why I don't like the current NASCAR regime in that everything's so spec and there's no allowance for issues of defects that happen in mass produced parts. Of course, had TRD weighed the part before hand, this probably wouldn't have happened and they could've tossed the defective part. But that's the issue with mass production nowadays--everything is almost the same, almost being the operative word. |
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It's a crazed penalty that'll threaten a revolt.
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Why doesn't Nascar just supply everything like IROC and we won't have to worry about all of this? Do they not realize that crap makes them look like a bunch of idiots?
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Like this comment. NASCAR is already a De-facto IROC series anyways because it's so spec. I believe it's more a deal of where NASCR feels like they dumped a crap-load of money into the COT generations of cars and they don't want the teams to mess with them. Of course, the homolagation crap in sportscar racing is almost as bad, but at least there's room for creativity and innovation.
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Wow, basically if ANYTHING in the engine fails inspection, you're ruined!!! That has to be the record for a fine in the history of Nascar. That's the equivalent of 200 points under the pre-2011 points system. A few years ago, one of the Front Row Motorsports cars had illegal bleeder valves and would have lost 300 (75 in this era) championship points, but was dropped to 150.
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I agree though. This has just gotten way too out of hand. The sanctioning body has lost any ounce of understanding and assumes the teams put the illegal or defective parts knowingly and intentionally. |
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Let me put it this way about how I feel about NASCAR, and possibly auto racing in general after this year ends:
I'm not gonna write you a love song because you ask for it or need it. I'm gonna call a spade a spade, and NASCAR is the glorification of a lot that's wrong with modern auto racing with it's spec racing and stupid gimmicks. And sadly, F1 is headed that way, as so to is sportscar racing. Maybe 2014 might be the year I find something else to entertain myself. |
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North Carolina calculus:
"Since 1999, 15 penalty cases have gone before NASCAR’s chief appellate officer. Of those 15 cases, nine were upheld, two reduced and one overturned." |
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What happened to the other 3?
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