V8 Supercars and Queensland Raceway

[fomoco]

Interesting read on , I thought the Coates Hire Ipswich 400 was a done deal for the next three years.

THe tenat still complaining of lack of support for $$$$$$ to improve the place yet has been running it as a business for years. If he is just the tennant, then the landlord is a bit slack , Still nothing done for spectators etc for the past years, and now with Ipswich Council playing silly buggers through out the whole WillowBank motosport preceint, maybe its about time to move onto Morgan Park

story here:
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/10/31/...sland-raceway/

[Umai Naa]

I wonder if the recent spate of V8SC teams renting Lakeside (putting the fact that Mr Tetley is the manager there, too) and Morgan Park instead, have anything to do with this.

[fomoco]

There has been inquries already re QR and the incidents there,and what should have been put in place from previuos incidents , also a death did happen a lakeside Park recently as well. For the purist Lakeside is the better of the two , unfourntunetly, Lakeside never kept up with improvements and and QR has failed to do the same. Both tracks of challenges and demand driver skill, the pits at lakeside are still 1960's , there is a lack of run off and barriers to absorb impacts, QR is nearly 15 years old, and has similar probs. When it was built cars rached X speed.

Today cars go a lot faster and if there is a failure , it can end in a bad way, re: Sean . BOth circuits are technical to drive to get the best result.

Reality, until QR gets a clean bill of health, I think Morgan Park and Lakeside might get a few more days.

Lakeside can never handle 28 V8 Superscars at once , so dont count on it ever retruning to the calender. Great for ride days and sprints etc , but not modern race cars

[GTRMagic]

Why cant they choose a neutral venue, such as Eastern Creek, for their test days.

Queensland teams and Victorian teams will both suffer the travel impost..

If they held 4 "official" days per annum, and charged a gold coin entry there, the sport would likely be better for it...

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Why cant they choose a neutral venue, such as Eastern Creek, for their test days.

Queensland teams and Victorian teams will both suffer the travel impost..

If they held 4 "official" days per annum, and charged a gold coin entry there, the sport would likely be better for it...

For ride days after major meets in QLd there is limited places, years ago in Townsville you could go to the Bohle , now residential development killed that, Lakeside suffered a similar fate but also didn't upgrade the cicuit from 1960's style circuits, QR was to be the saviour but alass, the tenant and landlord haven't been able to work it out.

For the V8's to have these days, for there sponsors etc, they need a place to do this. Test days can be held anywhere and a gold coin donation to a cancer fund would be great, but ride days for sponsors are also important and teams need somewhere, wether they are Qld based, Melb based, Syd Based. Unfourntunatley some circuits dont seem to understand this. SO for BJR BOC QLd may miss out unless they fly to Vic, same for any other team , Lockwood, etc DOdo TOll, this is something the V8's as a group must work on

[spook]

The runoff at Turn 6 was designed using the FIA "Design Vehicle" - 259km/h at the braking point. A V8 Supercar in 2002 would be just under 200km/h at this point.

It has not been revealed what speed a current Porsche might be doing at this point, but I doubt it exceeds the design speed of 259km/h.

Only an on-board data logger will reveal the actual speed.

The investigations will look at all contributing factors, but to suggest current cars have outgrown the circuit design in only 14 years is absurd.

Condolences to all involved in this accident. Get well Will.

[Axeman444]

Is there subsidence at turn 6 making it bumpier...??

[chavez]

Originally Posted by spook

The runoff at Turn 6 was designed using the FIA "Design Vehicle" - 259km/h at the braking point. A V8 Supercar in 2002 would be just under 200km/h at this point.

It has not been revealed what speed a current Porsche might be doing at this point, but I doubt it exceeds the design speed of 259km/h.

Only an on-board data logger will reveal the actual speed.

The investigations will look at all contributing factors, but to suggest current cars have outgrown the circuit design in only 14 years is absurd.

Condolences to all involved in this accident. Get well Will.

Didn't a Mini end up in the spectator area at turn six a number of years ago?

[Razor]

Originally Posted by chavez

Didn't a Mini end up in the spectator area at turn six a number of years ago?

Yes, was there when it happened. Very scary.

[peckstar]

QLD has been locked in for 2014. it is no longer a TBA

[rik]

Originally Posted by chavez

Didn't a Mini end up in the spectator area at turn six a number of years ago?

Yep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bXcpkQr04

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by chavez

Didn't a Mini end up in the spectator area at turn six a number of years ago?

In actual fact, that weekend , a mini hit the wall at turn six friday, the two minis hit and one rolled and flipped over the fence on saturday, and a mini hit turn 6 wall on sunday, I was a marshall at 6 and 6A for that event.

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by spook

The runoff at Turn 6 was designed using the FIA "Design Vehicle" - 259km/h at the braking point. A V8 Supercar in 2002 would be just under 200km/h at this point.

It has not been revealed what speed a current Porsche might be doing at this point, but I doubt it exceeds the design speed of 259km/h.

Only an on-board data logger will reveal the actual speed.

The investigations will look at all contributing factors, but to suggest current cars have outgrown the circuit design in only 14 years is absurd.

Condolences to all involved in this accident. Get well Will.

THe speed may not have reach another 50ks yet, who knows, but turn six is tricky as there is elevation coming from turn 5, and over the years there has been numerous categorys who are slower than a V8 and Porsche go of and still hit the wall. There was a ride day some years ago , a young bloke from Toowoomba who did a similar exit at turn 6.

Maybe the problem is in the gravel trap isn't slowing the cars down as it is meant to. At the moment, the cars see to skim across it. If you look at an at arial shot of QR, you will see there is solid ground around the trap, maybe this should be removed and more gravel brought in and another set of tyre barriers at least five metres of the wall, to arrest the speed and absorb the impact.

I have seen cars go of there regulary over the past 10 years. and just last weekend , one went in on friday, and two on saturday.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by spook

The runoff at Turn 6 was designed using the FIA "Design Vehicle" - 259km/h at the braking point. A V8 Supercar in 2002 would be just under 200km/h at this point.

It has not been revealed what speed a current Porsche might be doing at this point, but I doubt it exceeds the design speed of 259km/h.

A Carrera Cup crew chief tells me that a 2011 997 Cup Car is doing between 190-200km/h at the approach to turn 6.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by chavez

Didn't a Mini end up in the spectator area at turn six a number of years ago?

The area where the Mini landed is now roped off as a no go zone.

[Umai Naa]

Instead of having a silly-looking roped-off area, why not move the wall back, and raise the the run-off so that it's the same elevation as the track?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Instead of having a silly-looking roped-off area, why not move the wall back, and raise the the run-off so that it's the same elevation as the track?

isnt this a significant part of the issue, Will you fund it?

[Umai Naa]

Me personally, no.

Me and every other tax payer, possibly.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Me personally, no.

Me and every other tax payer, possibly.

not so far they havent, which is part of the problem. no cash for iinfastructure improvments

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by peckstar

not so far they havent, which is part of the problem. no cash for iinfastructure improvments

So that would be the Landlord, Ipswich Council/State Govt , would need to cover the cost of infastructure, as if that will happen

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by fomoco

So that would be the Landlord, Ipswich Council/State Govt , would need to cover the cost of infastructure, as if that will happen

Tenants could make that change if they wanted.

Maybe its time for the tenant to quit the track

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Maybe its time for the tenant to quit the track

Is there anyone out there willing to take his place? Or would the track just be left the rot?

[spook]

So you are expecting to find a new tenant, that will immediately spend a large amount of money to modify the runoff, that currently complies to the international design guide, and then operate the venue.

He would of course have to increase the track fees to cover his investment - would you be happy to pay more for track time, admission etc ?.

You must be dreaming !.

The gravel trap at Turn 6 starts 2m from the edge of the bitumen and stops 4m from the wall. The wall is at a higher elevation than the track as per the design guide produced by CAMS.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by spook

So you are expecting to find a new tenant, that will immediately spend a large amount of money to modify the runoff, that currently complies to the international design guide, and then operate the venue.

He would of course have to increase the track fees to cover his investment - would you be happy to pay more for track time, admission etc ?.

You must be dreaming !.

The gravel trap at Turn 6 starts 2m from the edge of the bitumen and stops 4m from the wall. The wall is at a higher elevation than the track as per the design guide produced by CAMS.

Why would i be dreaming, Wakefield park found one. There is a consortium on the Gold Coast who want to build a track, Lakeside found one. This track they are racing on in NZ (is it Highlands?) found one. Tenants are out there!

Might not be too many places to race in QLD if the money is not spent so i would imagine any racer would pay the extra rather than have to race in Sydney

By the way its not me who is saying that the run off needs updating. some are speculating that it might due to soem recent incidents there

The current tenant who is saying the circuit needs improvments though

[twinwebbers]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Lakeside found one.

Umm, that's the same guy were talking about... If it wasn't for this QR tenant then lakeside wouldn't be up and running today.