Schu brothers wants Monaco changes (they dont like the track!)

[freud]

Reuters Sports: 'Schumacher brothers criticize Monaco.. say its Unsafe'.

Finally they have hit Monaco too! According to them the track is not 'pleasing' and is 'unsafe'. Both brothers combined have attacked almost every track on the formula one calender during previous 7 or 8 years. They shout safety concerns after every spin they have. Imola, Monza, Silverstone, Barcelona, Adelaide,... you name the track and they have criticized it for safety concerns. Last year Ralf went as far as to say that 'Eau Rouge at Spa is too dangerous and should be changed'... Wow now Ralf wants a chicane at Eau Rouge!! Guess how much fans will love him after that happens. Combine that with Michael's hue and cries of 'safe starts by drivers' almost every other race these days... I guess the Schu brothers are too scared to race.

If they are so scared of racing they would probably be better off Karting on mickey mouse chicanes then driving formula one cars.

[Mania]

Take your blind hatred elsewhere. They are not the only ones who have said there should be changes at Monaco.

1. Hakkinen
2. Button
3. Irvine
4. Berger
5. Del-a-Rosa
6. Montoya
7. Villeneuve
8. Panis

Plus many more - have all complained about Monaco - but ofcourse you wont post that now will you

[Liz]

Prost didn't like Monaco either -- he said it was not suited for modern race cars and that was nearly 10 years ago.

However, personally I think if I were one of the Schumacher Brothers I'd be keeping my mouth shut at the present time.

[Valve Bounce]

Many have criticised Monaco. However, Monaco being a street circuit, the sheer lack of space prevents it being modified. I suppose if MSch doesn't like the track, he could let Luca Badoer take over for the weekend. I'm sure he won't mind, because he will avoid a lot of tomatoes that way.

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[f1manoz]

If they don't like it, don't race there. I'll be glad to see neither of them race.

[alfasud]

Niki Lauda mentions the insanity of qualifying a Turbo car at Monaco in one of his books (mid 80's?), so this is nothing new.

I'm sure Rubens wouldn't mind if the MS handed the car over to Luca Badoer either!!!

[f1truestory]

no one like the circuit, y not kick it out and bring russia or other better one.
Monaco is boring, not many overtake and dangerous..... y still race there?

[Jukebox]

Drivers have every right to criticize any race tracks as they are the one who's gonna risk their life driving thru it in the race cars. So if the Schu brothers say it ain't safe then it ain't safe. Anyway Monaco is such a boring race....

[Lee Janotta]

I don't like Monaco, or street circuits in general. Great for TTs, lousy for real racing. But getting back to the heart of freud's post, the Schumacher brothers are obviously in the wrong line of business. They have criticized _every_ element of F1 that links it to it's past: the circuits, the fast open-wheeled cars, the very idea of competition!

Racing is dangerous, dammit! We can _reduce_ that danger, but we can never remove it without killing all that makes racing enjoyable. The on-track duels. The epic, poetic and historic circuits. The interaction between drivers and fans.

Whatever else Michael Schumacher may be, he is a coward. He hides behind "team orders" when he steals a win from his teammate. He tries to shove his competitors off the track to avoid having to race them honestly. He has always diverted his team's resources away from his teammate, throughout his career. And he's afraid to do his job, driving fast open-wheel cars on challenging circuits around the world. A job so many of us would almost kill to have!

He's treated like a God, is worth more money than some African nations, and yet he's still not happy. He's only happy when he "proves" he's better than someone else. He hates competition, he just wants to win, and have people tell him he's the best.

I pity him.

[freud]

"Every year we ask ourselves why we continue to race here and every year we decide to come back," he said. "In many ways, it's a strange thing. Probably, we think it is only one of 17 races on the calendar and that once a year we can take this sort of risk with all the necessary precautions. You really have to avoid making any risky moves because the consequences can be serious."

The above comment came from Michael. This comes after an interview which he gave just one month ago in which he proclaimed:

"I dont like racing in wet, its very dangerous"

As Lee puts it above the heart of the matter is this 'cowardness' exhibited by Schumacher brothers. Just as Lee said : "They have criticized _every_ element of F1 that links it to it's past: the circuits, the fast open-wheeled cars, the very idea of competition."

When Michael said last year :

"Wheels of f1 cars should be covered"

German driver Hans Stuck questioned Michael's motivation for driving in f1 and said :

"If Michael is so scared of having four wheels around him than he should be better off in GT racing than formula one."

To me, the above comment sums it all up.

[Speed]

Originally posted by Lee Janotta
Whatever else Michael Schumacher may be, he is a coward. He hides behind "team orders" when he steals a win from his teammate. He tries to shove his competitors off the track to avoid having to race them honestly. He has always diverted his team's resources away from his teammate, throughout his career.

Amen !!!

[Jukebox]

i wonder until when this forum is gonna be dominated by 'hate TGF replies & threads'

:confused:

[z2252314]

Michael said it is unsafe, which is true. The fact is Michael has won Monaco more times than any other driver, save Senna. He is a master of the track, regardless of what he says, come raceday he has more confidence to attack the dangerous circuit than any other driver.

[freud]

Racing is unsafe! If its getting too unsafe for Michael's appetite, then he should call it quits. Michael doesnt have to make a point about every other circuit on the calender and 'try' to make it totally safe so that he can drive till he is 40.

[Jukebox]

tell me freud...how can a person have so much hate towards another person venthough he dosen't know that person personally. In this case towards TGF...

sorry...i have to ask cause almost all your replies would include TGF in it.

[freud]

You are mistaken, my friend. I have utmost respect for Michael... its just that my posts speak the truth which most MS fans cannot swallow. I know that you are a big MS fan but I advise you dont become a 'blind fan'.

[freud]

I guess your signature says it all:

emotional i may be after all that sort of nonsense...but always i, will be a tifoso.

LOL

[Jukebox]

It's true that he won the previous race because Ruben backed off, but it was because of the team orders. We very well know how Ferrari wanted to secure championship titles by all means. To me he is being blamed pointlessly because of those team orders and as a person i can tell you that TGF is a great man. I had the oppurtunity to meet and talk with him when he was over in my country playing football before the GP and i find him as an approachable person.

[Speed]

Hey Juke, according to one of your last week´s posts, I thought you were ready to take your Ferrari cap off...

[Speed]

"Deliberate but approachable"

PS: Sometimes, I miss Dr. Austin, hehehehe...
What did he say to be banned ?!?, anyway.

[freud]

Juke.. your views are extremely valuable and important.. no doubt about it. Certainly no direct evidence links Michael to the Austrian DP debacle/fiasco.

However, In this particular thread we are trying to analyse the various statements given by the Schumacher brothers during past 10 years with regards to the safety issues in formula one. No other driver has been as vocal as the Schumachers when it concerns saftey issues. They have criticized almost every possible aspect of formula one with regards to safety... from open wheels, to racing in wet, to race starts, to individual corners of almost every track in calender, to gravel traps, to overtaking.... the list goes on and on. Its good that they are so concerned about their safety and that obviously they want to come out alive and kisking when they finish, but many people like myself feel that they have gone a bit too far with their mindless criticism. I was surprised to hear following words from the mouth of a formula one driver:

I am glad that the cars are not more than 340 kph when we are beside the concrete walls. It would've been too scary

The driver was Michael Schumacher( year 2000) and the track was Indianpolis. What a shame!

Read Lee's post above... you'll understand!

[Jukebox]

Originally posted by Speed
Hey Juke, according to one of your last week´s posts, I thought you were ready to take your Ferrari cap off...

Yeah....i'm a bit emotional back then but then i came to realize that he's not to blame for what had happened and Ferrari needed the winning image for their IPO listings. We just need to realize that there must be reasons for those sort of actions.

[freud]

Ferrari needed the winning image for their IPO listings

I thought they have a winning image since past 3 years (3 constructors & 2 drivers titles)... dont they?! Or am I wrong?

[Jukebox]

Current achievements counts most as they are going to be listed this year, so they need a very high face value on the image of their company to attract prospective investors.

[freud]

Current achievements: 5 out of 6 races this year have been won by Ferrari. I see your point though.. may be Schumacher passing Rubens to win the race & taking 4 additional points would increase the face value of Ferrari & Fiat by a billion dollars..