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16 Oct 2002, 12:54 (Ref:405708)
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Pablo's Whining..Again
Here goes Pablo..whining, and moaning and crying again...just like he did earlier in the season. Now he's crying about Ralf giving him a hard time and this time its Pablo who's calling for team-orders.
Now, Ralf's team-mate Juan Pablo Montoya has added to the controversy by saying that Ralf gives him, his own team-mate, a harder time than his rivals. "Sometimes you see harder racing from Ralf with me than with anybody else," Montoya tells British weekly Motorsport News this week. "You don't see Ralf changing lines to block Michael down the straight, do you? "The only guy he changes his racing against to be harder is me," adds the Colombian. "And that shouldn't be. If you are racing hard with me then you should race hard with everybody. It is not like I am nice to everybody except Ralf." In what can only be taken as a major swipe at his German team-mate, Montoya adds that perhaps WilliamsF1 should re-think its team orders policy, since the rivalry between the two drivers is preventing them from taking on Ferrari. "For the fans it is better," says the Colombian. "And that is probably what Frank and Patrick want, they want to see some racing. "But from a team perspective," he continues. "We are actually worse off than Ferrari. At the Nurburgring if I hadn't moved out of the way he would have taken me off. At Monza he went straight and got a penalty and when he was going to let me by the way he wanted to, it was his fault that Rubens went by." Maybe Pablo should accept that he has been out driven and out raced by Ralf quite a few times this season and he's damn lucky to have finished ahead of him in the points. If he wants a team mate who moves over for him then he should go back to CART and team back up with losers like Jimmy Vasser. 
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16 Oct 2002, 13:25 (Ref:405735)
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I don't think he was whining, he seems like he's taking a dig at Ralf being soft on his brother.
He's also shifting the blame for the accident in America entirely onto Ralf. And justifiably so. |
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16 Oct 2002, 13:33 (Ref:405738)
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I think he has a point. Ralf is always in cruise-and-collect mode unless JPM is in the vicinity, then you see problems such as Monza and the USA. Ralf doesn't race unless it happens to be JPM.
Oh, and if anyone should be number 2, it should be Ralf. 
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16 Oct 2002, 13:33 (Ref:405739)
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If I was Frank, I'd just carry on letting them race each other. Best man wins (or comes third as the case may be).
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16 Oct 2002, 13:42 (Ref:405748)
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I think that Frank has to restore some order in that team. The drivers clearly hate each other, and, though many of you think that is good, from Frank's perspective, it certainly is not!
It is only good from the perspective of the spectator and Williams' competitors. Ross, Michael, and Jean must be having a good laugh when they read such comments from Juan. |
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16 Oct 2002, 13:45 (Ref:405749)
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Well, let them have a go at it, Juan will be moving to Ferrari after 2004 anyway...
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16 Oct 2002, 14:37 (Ref:405779)
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Re: Pablo's Whining..Again
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Btw, calling Jimmy Vasser a loser is a bit off target. As far as I remember, a Target Chip Ganassi driver won the 1996 CART title, and it wasn't Alex Zanardi. |
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16 Oct 2002, 14:57 (Ref:405789)
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Another feeble attempt by Mania to put down JPM for making a valid point that many of us here have mentioned during the course of the year. If you think this isn't the case then you need to open your eyes.
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16 Oct 2002, 15:02 (Ref:405791)
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Re: Pablo's Whining..Again
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JPM Ralf Australia 2 BE Malaysia 2 CP 1 Brazil 5 BE 2 San Marino 4 3 Spain 2 11 BE Austria 3 4 Monaco Engine 3 Canada Engine 7 Europe RI 4 Britain 3 8 Pit problems France 4 5 Germany 2 3 Hungary 11 3 Belgium 3 5 Italy Suspension Engine USA 4 16 BE Japan 4 Engine BE=Boneheaded Error RI=Racing Incedent So, when both drivers finished (or were taken out by their mistakes), Ralf finished ahead of JPM 5 times, including Malaysia, where JPM should have won. JPM finished ahead 8 times. I don't think that's luck. He was 8 points ahead. If Malaysia's result is flipped, it would be 16. Last edited by paul-collins; 16 Oct 2002 at 15:05. |
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16 Oct 2002, 15:03 (Ref:405792)
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Sheese Damon. Last year Ralf said something similar, and maannn... what an outrage. The same point, but brought by Pablo suddenly becomes valid? Anyway, I would be tempted to see which 1010ths members are the most active "anti-teamorders"... of course when it comes to Ferrari...
PS: (r)jnthjtuh. Pablo does NOT go to Ferrari. 
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16 Oct 2002, 15:09 (Ref:405794)
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 If Ralfie doesn't race anyone other than JPM, why would Frank keep him? |
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16 Oct 2002, 15:13 (Ref:405796)
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Hold on right here Paul. Actually the line "he didn't race Ferrari because they're unraceable
" is so well known when explaining why a certain Pablo finished 3rd.. NO!!! 4th!! in the races where he was supposed to be "the man" ! Why do you blame Ralf? He Raced Pablo because he had noone else to race! The Ferrari were cruising miles ahead and McLarens were cruising miles behind. What's your point?
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16 Oct 2002, 15:18 (Ref:405797)
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Paul-Collins!!! Heeehehee! JPM only one BE?!! Oh man...
I reckon they are as good as each other. As long as they dont get dangerous with each other leave them alone. Neither of them approach the brilliance and sheer totalness of Michael Schumacher (god). When does Schumacher have problems with understeer, Hungary or undrivable cars??? He finds a way through being a superhuman driver. JPM is great fun to watch much in the vein of Massa and Sato but he whines and he thinks he is the match of Schuey SR which is not the case and never will be. When he is destroying Ralf race after race all season THEN I will consider changing my mind. |
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16 Oct 2002, 15:27 (Ref:405802)
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I think Juan Pablo must keep his mouth shut (and this comment comes from a hard Fan of him, me !)...
Ralf is another driver, just like Michael or Kimi, so he (JPM) has to fight against the whole grid. It's Ralf's choice to play sissy with his brother or not. |
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16 Oct 2002, 15:44 (Ref:405817)
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Boneheaded means driving over the back of Rubens. I certainly don't think that JPM has shown he's miles ahead of Ralfie, but at least he tries to take it to TGF. TGF's superlative skills and superior machinery makes it almost impossible for JPM, but at least he tries. Unlike Ralfie. (Remember Canada?) And, even if Ralfie is only racing JPM, he's still not beating him. 8 points. 50-42. Should have been 54-28. |
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16 Oct 2002, 15:47 (Ref:405819)
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Uh-oh... if Ralf sliding and hitting Pablo was a BE, why Pablo sliding and hitting David was a RI? :confused: AT least he only damaged his car, which he managed to take it to the finish line.... Strange... strange...
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16 Oct 2002, 15:56 (Ref:405826)
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Gimme a break paul. That so-called eight point deficit is rubbish..you forget Ralf went out while in a comfortable 3rd position in Suzuka having out classed Pablo all weekend..same goes for Germany..where Ralf was called in for an unscheduled stop costing him a comfortable 2nd place - he went out while leading in Monza, was screwed in the pits both at Montreal and Silverstone....and not to mention the fact that he was involved in a shunt with Pablo in Indy despite running ahead of him at the time.
Ralf should have finished ahead of Pablo but it was just bad luck on his part. That aside...it still doesent mean Pablo can go whining about team orders. He is no Michael Schumacher. This just proves to me that Pablo is another cry baby who is insecure of his team mate and is desperately trying to get the team to "kill" his competition. So much for the **** about Pablo being a "real racer"..blah blah. He should keep his mouth shut and concentrate on driving the car - which is what he`s paid to do. |
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16 Oct 2002, 15:57 (Ref:405828)
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I'll have to bite my tongue on this one...  Or i'll might say something stupid... (again) Last edited by ASCII Man; 16 Oct 2002 at 15:58. |
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16 Oct 2002, 16:01 (Ref:405829)
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Please, if you're going to credit Ralfie for Suzuka or Monza, you'll have to credit JPM for Monaco and Canada. I don't remember him being screwed in the pits in Canada - but I do remember him not attempting to pass, content to sit in 7th, out of the points.
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Look at the press, I think that other than JPM haters and Coulthard, the commentary supports the accident at Nurburgring as "racing incident." The reviews are not so charitable for Ralfie at Indy. |
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Nevermind...
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16 Oct 2002, 16:12 (Ref:405847)
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What was he doing behind them you conveniently chose to forget...
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16 Oct 2002, 16:15 (Ref:405850)
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Unimportant. Results count. You don't get points based on where you were anytime other than the end of the race.
JPM made the pass. He was on the road to the podium, barring equipment failure. Ralfie, despide Mania's assertion, was not. |
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