How much more bad luck does JPM need?

Mr V · 18 May 2003, 14:28 (Ref:602521)

Yet again, leading the race, a very possible chance of a victory and the engine blows up

x_dt · 18 May 2003, 14:31 (Ref:602527)

Could JPM have beaten MS?
(like Canada last year we will never know)

Damon · 18 May 2003, 14:31 (Ref:602528)

What does the guy have to do?!

. Yet another example of points not telling the story as Ralf and DC have a lousy race, with Ralf cocking up again, yet come home with points while Montoya drives a blinder and looses out. Why do they always blow up when he's doing well?!

Not only that of course, we were robbed of a great scrap between Schu and JPM at the end. Damn it!

Jay · 18 May 2003, 14:32 (Ref:602529)

I think Panis has to have the 'Mr. Unlucky' prize at this point actually... Car failures 5 of 6 races... ouch.

Mr V · 18 May 2003, 14:33 (Ref:602531)

Quote:

Originally posted by x_dt
Could JPM have beaten MS?
(like Canada last year we will never know)

Well, Michael was on fire today, no pun intended, but i reckon JPM would have had the measure of him

TeddyG · 18 May 2003, 14:36 (Ref:602536)

Yep...could have been very interesting. Is Monty particularly hard on his engines or something? They always seem to blow when he's pushing hard and in the lead. I think BMW needs to make a special one just for him. Or perhaps stop designing them to suit granny style Ralf's driving???

DavidStHubbins · 18 May 2003, 14:41 (Ref:602540)

Schuey would have beaten him, but he was driving well from all accounts was our JPM. Pity he wasn't saving his engine like Ralf though

Mania · 18 May 2003, 14:50 (Ref:602551)

I think its the first engine failure for BMW this season...not bad reliability.As for Pablo,he drove nothing more than a steady race..he was lucky that Michael and Rubens had pit stops dramas which enabled him to get the lead.Anyway, I dont think he would have won regardless..Michael was just too good as was Kimi. He may have had a shot at Barrichelo's 3rd position however.

eatapc · 18 May 2003, 14:51 (Ref:602552)

Any final word on pit instructions to JPM to lean his fuel mixture a few laps before the engine grenaded? Speculation was that the leaner mixture could have led to the problem.

**Spudgun** · 18 May 2003, 14:54 (Ref:602555)

Quote:

Originally posted by DavidStHubbins
Schuey would have beaten him, but he was driving well from all accounts was our JPM. Pity he wasn't saving his engine like Ralf though

Before I opened this thread I wondered how far down I had to read something about 'engine saving'.

Seriously though, what has Monty got to do to win? The only time he has a chance for a win there's a blow-up. BMW have been whinging about Williams lately so at least they can fling some back at them for once.

Tristan · 18 May 2003, 15:02 (Ref:602566)

IMO JPM had the strategy to challange TGF today, particularly after the mishaps that TGF had. The "would he have beaten him" debate is kinda irrelevant. Alonso had great pace today - had he not bodged his qually or had his engine not seized...

Damon · 18 May 2003, 15:02 (Ref:602567)

Quote:

Originally posted by Mania
Anyway, I dont think he would have won regardless..Michael was just too good as was Kimi. He may have had a shot at Barrichelo's 3rd position however.

Despite the fact that he easily outpaced Kimi and Barrichello at the start and Sam Michael was confident that they were able to run later than both. Your bias gets more astounding each week Mania

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Mania · 18 May 2003, 15:06 (Ref:602572)

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Originally posted by Damon
Your bias gets more astounding each week Mania .

So does your blind love affair with the guy Damon.Go marry him and put yourself out of the misery!

R · 18 May 2003, 15:07 (Ref:602578)

Montoya's bad luck is appalling. Apart from Monza '01, every time he has been in the lead (and it hasn't been few times), something has gone wrong. It is sooooooo frustrating!!

Damon · 18 May 2003, 15:09 (Ref:602583)

Real mature Mania.

R · 18 May 2003, 15:18 (Ref:602593)

A qualified guess based on today's pace on where Montoya would have ended up had his engine not blown: Second place. I think TGF would have beaten him. Montoya would have given him a run for his money though. I'm pretty sure he would have beaten both Kimi and Rubens, as he was well ahead at the time, and his pace as well as Williams' race strategy suggested that he would have.

z2252314 · 18 May 2003, 15:31 (Ref:602605)

I think Michael still would have won today, but it would have been close. At the end of the day, Juan only got in the lead through Michaels bad luck, but you do have to sympathise with Juan a bit. He was doing a hell of a lot better than Ralf, and deserved more from this weekend.

mr.a · 18 May 2003, 15:41 (Ref:602615)

You say Montoya are unlucky

. Have you heard of Panis?

****ing mechanics at Toyota will never get his car right.

R · 18 May 2003, 15:48 (Ref:602623)

Retiring from the lead is a little bit worse than retiring from ?th place.

That's not to say Panis isn't having awful reliability, but I had more sympathy with him when he broke his leg in Canada in 97 while lying 3rd in the WDC standings.

Inigo Montoya · 18 May 2003, 15:50 (Ref:602625)

Yeah, it would have been nice for Monty to be in there, but, no offense Damon, I just don't think the Williams had the F2003's 1.08's in it... He would have finished second, IMHO.

mr.a · 18 May 2003, 15:59 (Ref:602636)

Quote:

Originally posted by R
Retiring from the lead is a little bit worse than retiring from ?th place. That's not to say Panis isn't having awful reliability, but I had more sympathy with him when he broke his leg in Canada in 97 while lying 3rd in the WDC standings.

Of course! But damn, im sure he would put up a good show if the car would hold for a race this season. I`m sure that Toyota will be put pretty much upside down after his fifth DNF. Someone will have to go for this idiotic making

Number Juan · 18 May 2003, 16:03 (Ref:602638)

i think Montie's getting that very unlucky mantle of "Greatest Driver To Never Win A Race" (although he did win in Monza 01').

from my point of view, i could see it happening from a long way back. it seems that JPM just cannot get a break

at least he still keeps his chin up and tries again and again though, fighting spirit - thats what edeers him to his fans.

Damon · 18 May 2003, 16:07 (Ref:602640)

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Originally posted by Inigo Montoya
Yeah, it would have been nice for Monty to be in there, but, no offense Damon, I just don't think the Williams had the F2003's 1.08's in it... He would have finished second, IMHO.

I agree with you, I disagree with Mania's backward analysis that Montoya "may have had a look at Barrichello's 3rd" at best. I think JPM would have finished second but wouldn't it have been fun to see him try and keep a Schumacher Ferrari behind him?

Lee Janotta · 18 May 2003, 16:08 (Ref:602641)

Leaning out the fuel mixture always makes blow-ups more likely. What the hell were Williams thinking?!

I've lost count of how many victories these blow-ups have cost Juan!

Although in all honesty, I think Schumacher's Ferrari was just too damn fast today. Juan would have held him off for a while, but would eventually have outbraked himself and lost the lead. Would definitly have taken 2nd, though.

williamsf1 · 18 May 2003, 16:09 (Ref:602642)

In a current spec F1 car, it is totally IMPOSSIBLE for the drive to induce a failure, appart from a drive line engine failure.... i.e. running wide and causing major rev spikes due to a rough surface, with gearbox being the victim mostly....so no, Montoya was not to blame, as he never left the track.

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